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To: jenny65
These claims are nothing but lies and half-truths put out there to get simple-minded folk all in a hissy-fit. How about actually doing some research, and find out from an objective source what they're all about?

The closest you will find to an "objective source" are the people who oppose them -- and I know that sounds like an absurd statement, but you have to understand: the people who are on the gay radicals' side don't believe in fairness.

Your knee-jerk response that these are "lies and half-truths put out there to get simple-minded folk all in a hissy-fit" is a good indicator of how effective the Gay-stapo's propaganda is. You would believe that inaccurate information was "put out there" for someone's twisted amusement rather than believe that there are homosexuals that -- apparently unlike the ones that you are friends with -- have the intent to subversively promote their social agenda through the schools behind parents' backs.

If all they're teaching is tolerance, then I'm all for it.

Well, then you're against it.

Here is the defintion of "tolerance" from Merriam-Webster online:


Main Entry: tol·er·ance
Pronunciation: 'tä-l&-r&n(t)s, 'täl-r&n(t)s
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
...2 a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own b : the act of allowing something : TOLERATION

Let's see if the GLSEN practices the "tolerance" it claims to teach. From a Cybercast News Service report about a GLSEN-sponsored conference in 1999:


Cathy Renna, director of community relations of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), told attendees at a symposia on "Responding to the Religious Right" how to approach journalists writing stories on gay issues.

"One of the most important things you can do is have those tough conversations with journalists about when it is completely inappropriate to run to some radical group like the Family Research Council because of misguided notions of 'balance,'" said Renna.

Above all, presenters and attendees discussed strategies to portray religious voters as extremist and homosexual activists as mainstream.

"We are now in the position of being able to say, we have the high ground, we have the facts, and we don't have to go one-on-one with these people," said Renna. "We've come such a long way - we're the mainstream now."

More here: Gay-stapo's Campaign Against Balanced Reporting Goose Steps On


This is the attitude that the GLSEN, other education groups, and their supporters in the media bring to public school classrooms. They have "the facts," and they will teach your children that they are right and their parents -- if they disagree -- are wrong.

No one is going to "convert" your children into homos. Your children know already if they like boys or girls.

And where did you get that? Even the experts the homoactivists site don't state that as fact, and the anecdotes of your homosexual friends do not represent everyone's experience. For a high-profile example, take Rosie O'Donnell, who claims she didn't realize she was a lesbian until her young adulthood, when one day she was in a car checking a woman out and saying, "I think I'm totally gay!"

If one day, little Johnny comes home and tells you he's got a new boyfriend, will you be prepared, or will you banish him from the house forever? I can guarantee that it will happen to someone reading this,

No you can't.

and there's not a d*mned thing you can do to stop it.

It's real easy to condemn a stranger to Hell for being a sexual "deviant", but quite another when it's your own child. Kinda shakes your belief system.

I am interested in YOUR belief system -- that is, your belief that GLSEN, GLAAD, and other radical gay groups couldn't be as subversive toward children as we say they are. Based on mine and EdReform's voluminous replies to you, are you convinced yet? And if you are not, what do you need to see/hear/read that will do the trick? I am sure that whatever the threshold, there is something that they have done/said/written that will meet it and exceed it.

153 posted on 04/22/2002 1:59:02 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: L.N. Smithee;EdReform
GREAT post, there! Thanks!
154 posted on 04/22/2002 2:29:17 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: L.N. Smithee
Bump!
157 posted on 04/22/2002 6:32:23 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: L.N. Smithee; Clint N. Suhks; EdReform; Yakboy; Tralfaze McWatt
First of all, I don't have the energy to respond to everyone here. So please forgive me for being brief. [After finishing this, I found that it wasn't quite so brief - oh well]

I took the time read the majority of the links. Since most of the links point to sites with a definite bias (not that that's good or bad), I decided to do a bit of searching myself. To be honest, I couldn't find much of anything that WASN'T biased against them. That could mean two things: Either this is part of concerted effort by the Christian Right to discredit this organization, or the stories are based on fact. Some of the stuff seems really far-fetched, such as the "fisting kit", or whatever the hell it is, that Yakboy posted a picture of. I'm still skeptical of that one.

In any case, a definite theme arises from all the info, and it points towards these people going way beyond teaching tolerance. If that is the case, then I agree one hundred percent that this is not something to be taught in our schools. You do have the right to say no to this (not that I'm implying that you need my permission). I have run across militant gay groups, and they definitely do more harm to their cause than good. As a side note, my gay friends avoid those "gay pride" parades like the plague. They're probably just as offended as some of you are at the blatant exhibitionism that is common in most of them.

I will NOT however, back down on the topic of "what makes a homosexual". The whole notion that a person would choose it is ludicrous. Why would ANYONE in their right mind (no pun intended) choose a lifestyle that subjects them to the agony of constant harrasment and humiliation?

I have no reason to suspect that any of my friends are hiding anything from me or themselves. Most of them would have given anything in the world to be "normal" when they were younger, and many struggled deeply with all of the issues, from moral to just plain practicality. Many pretended or tried to be straight, and had opposite-sex relationships when they were in school. But it just wasn't meant to be.

No one here knows for a fact how homosexuality is "made". You have a BELIEF, just as I do. While the evidence for a "gay gene" is lacking, all that means is that one hasn't been discovered. Maybe it exists, maybe it doesn't. Nor is there any proof that it's entirely a result of environment or traumatic events. All we DO know is that we don't know. It may be that it's a combination of many factors. The code to the brain may never ne cracked in our lifetimes.

In the mean time, there are children out there who are desperatly struggling with their own sexuality, who have no one to talk to. They need help, yet are terrified of talking to their parents or friends, because of the prejudices and ignorance that they run into on a daily basis. That needs to change.

I'm going to move on from this topic. This is a hot-button issue, and we all know where we stand. There's no point in arguing to a brick wall (and I count myself as one). You did sway my opinion on this GLSEN group. The rest I won't budge on. I thank some of you for at least being civil, especially L.N. Smithee, who provided some somewhat objective material, and didn't resort to gay-bashing. For other like erizona... well... I wish you well.
165 posted on 04/22/2002 10:08:48 PM PDT by jenny65
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