Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Is pedophilia going mainstream?
Jewish World Review ^ | April 16, 2002 | John Leo

Posted on 04/16/2002 12:29:02 PM PDT by FormerLib

Back in 1981, an astute writer at Time magazine (that would be me) noticed that pro-pedophilia arguments were catching on among some sex researchers and counselors. Larry Constantine, a Massachusetts family therapist and sex-book writer, said children "have the right to express themselves sexually, which means that they may or may not have contact with people older than themselves." Wardell Pomeroy, coauthor of the original Kinsey reports, said incest "can sometimes be beneficial." A Minnesota sociologist included pedophile sex among "intimate human relations [that] are important and precious." There were more.

My article caused some commotion, so budding apologists for child molesters' lib ran for cover. Since then, frank endorsements of adult-child sex have become rare. But pro-pedophilia (or anti-antipedophilia) rationalizations of the early '80s are still in play. Among them: Children are sexual beings with the right to pick their partners; the quality of relationships, not age, determines the value of sex; most pedophiles are gentle and harmless; the damage of pedophilia comes mostly from the shocked horror communicated by parents, not from the sex itself.

For example, take the controversy over the new sex book Harmful to Minors: the Perils of Protecting Children from Sex . The mini-uproar comes from the fact that the author, a journalist named Judith Levine, recycles some of the old arguments that play down the dangers of pedophilia. (The book has a foreword by former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders, so don't say you weren't warned.) Levine says pedophiles are rare and often harmless. The real danger, she thinks, is not the pedophile but parents and parental figures who project their fears and their own lust for young flesh onto the mythically dangerous child molester. One section carries the headline "The enemy is us."

Priestly lapse. Levine opposes incest and adult-child sex that involves authorities with power over kids. That would seem to include predatory priests, but Levine thought this was a good time to endorse some priest-boy sex. She told Mark O'Keefe of the Newhouse papers that "yes, conceivably, absolutely" a boy's sexual relationship with a priest could be positive.

Harmful to Minors is a classic example of how disorder in the intellectual world leaks into the popular culture. In this case, I think the leakage comes from the Rind study, which caused a national furor after it appeared in 1998 in the Psychological Bulletin, a publication of the American Psychological Association. The study's conclusion that child sex abuse "does not cause intense harm on a pervasive basis" was the highest-level endorsement yet of the no-harm rationalization for child sexual abuse. Understandably, the Rind study is the new bible of pedophiles and their groups.

The study also called for a sweeping change in language used to discuss child sexual abuse (a term the study rejected as judgmental). This delighted the pedophile movement, which favors terms like "intergenerational intimacy." One critic of Rind mockingly asked whether the word rape should now be changed to "unilaterally consenting adult-adult sex."

The Rind study was a meta-analysis, an academic term for noodling around with other people's old studies instead of conducting your own. Meta-analyses notoriously leave lots of room for omissions and arbitrary decisions to somehow fit together different studies with different standards and definitions.

The major point about the Rind study is not whether it was intellectually shoddy (though I think it was) but that it shifted the national discussion several degrees toward the normalization of pedophilia. It will take a great deal more to convince the American people that tots have the right to select adult sex partners. But the terrain has been changed. Instead of virtually all Americans versus the pedophiles, the Rind team (who grandly compare their case to the travails of Galileo) invited us to see it as scientific and fair-minded people who believe in openness and dialogue versus meddling, antiscientific, right-wing moralists. It invites the left and the center to view antipedophilia traditionalists as the real problem, just as Levine says "the enemy is us," not pedophiles.

Here's an example of the terrain change. For more than 20 years, pedophile advocate Tom O'Carroll has been a stigmatized outsider. Now he has been invited to address an international sex convention in Paris on the subject of privacy rights of pedophiles and their child partners (or targets). His pro-pedophilia book is on a course list at Cambridge University. O'Carroll is surprised and delighted by his new stature and thinks the Rind study brought it about. Intellectually respectable pedophilia? What's next?


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; homosexuality; pedophilia
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-74 next last
To: rdb3
We need to have Dimensio come by to assure us that there is no such thing as the "slippery slope!"

That'll surely calm my fears! How's by you?

41 posted on 04/16/2002 3:44:55 PM PDT by FormerLib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: EdReform
"...For elsewhere in the public square, the defense of adult-child sex—more accurately, man-boy sex—is now out in the open

My take on what I have been reading is it is our sons they are trying to throw to the rapists (let's call it what it is!). N.O.W. is probably all for this since it involves the dehumanization and rape of MALE children.

I was in a live chat awhile back that was full of Europeans and went ballistic on some wretched old male gasbag who was practically salivating over the thought of what I LOUDLY termed "baby rape" and called him a rapist - I actually got bounced from the room for being "vulgar".

15-20 years ago, when I heard someone say "stock up on and hide your guns and ammo for what's coming" I'd think they were paranoid nuts. Now I believe they were right all along.
42 posted on 04/16/2002 3:45:23 PM PDT by GussiedUp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
. . .unite against the [L]eftist filth in this country!

This is my entire political philosophy in a nutshell.

43 posted on 04/16/2002 3:46:18 PM PDT by rdb3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: FormerLib
Mine, too!
44 posted on 04/16/2002 3:50:17 PM PDT by rdb3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

Comment #45 Removed by Moderator

To: DoughtyOne
I would submit that any nation that would allow an organization like NAMBLA to exist, is a nation in serious decline. I not only believe that efforts to desensitize people to pedophilia are taking place, but that beastiality will be ushered in right behind. I've even seen this taboo used as a punchline in a move, "The Animal".

You are right. I have been chastised for calling "having sex with children" what it is: RAPE. First they desensitize people by altering/softening the wording. After that it is easier to make it acceptable. It is incremental. I would recommend everyone be very adamant on calling it "rape". The fact that we are even talking about the subject shows how far it has permeated into the mainstream.
46 posted on 04/16/2002 3:54:17 PM PDT by GussiedUp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Remember it was in the late 1970s that Anita Bryant led the effort against "civil rights" status for homosexuals in Miami.

Honestly? No, I don't. But you'll understand why as I didn't turn 10 until December of '81. ;-)

47 posted on 04/16/2002 3:59:10 PM PDT by rdb3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Wright is right!
Of course, ephebophilia used to go by a different name here in The Colonies back about 200 years or so ago. Back then, it was called "taking a wife." Low life expectancy rates almost mandated early marriage.

But things have changed -- life expectancy is higher, marriage age is higher, and in the Colonial era, the intentions of such men were honorable.

48 posted on 04/16/2002 4:23:26 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

Comment #49 Removed by Moderator

Comment #50 Removed by Moderator

Comment #51 Removed by Moderator

To: BurkeCalhounDabney; GussiedUp
Can anyone cite an example of the RENE GUYON SOCIETY ever participating in an Easter parade? A Memorial Day parade? A Straight-Pride celebration?

The only question as to what would happen to them if they did would be how many pieces would their respective members be torn into.

NAMBLA, however, did march in "Gay Pride" parades until it was realized that this generated bad press. Now they participate without their banner.

52 posted on 04/17/2002 6:31:47 AM PDT by FormerLib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: FormerLib
The entire press corp and news media is reporting this outbreak in the Catholic Church as a "SEX SCANDAL". Somehow giving it the same polishing as BJ Clinton's sexcapades in the Oval Office. This might not sound like a big deal but change is slow and the hearts and minds must come along for the ride. How better than through the constant bombardment of the TAGS that the liberal media put on events. You have "suicide bomber" legitimizing the taking of innocents non combatants now you have "sex scandal" to describe pedophilia. Sick!
53 posted on 04/17/2002 6:41:14 AM PDT by PISANO
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne
I would submit that any nation that would allow an organization like NAMBLA to exist, is a nation in serious decline.

The free speech envisioned by the first ammendment was primarily political, whereas today the entire argument has flipped. You can suppress political speech all you want, but not advocates of pedophilia.

Really though, we are a culture in decline. Some things the law can't really deal with. In times past, making such outrageously evil statements earned you an appointment with an angry mob and a rope. The authorities often looked the other way because the values being enforced where quite general. (Of course, this phenomenon is not generally a force for good.)

Today such evil is not just tolerated, but promoted. The animals making these demonic suggestions are not just safe from harm, they have government jobs paid for by taxpayers. We are subsidizing their sickness in every way.

What needs to be done may not be suggested. We have civilized ourselves to the point of defenselessness.

54 posted on 04/17/2002 7:12:51 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: hopespringseternal
Sadly, your comments are rather accurate.
55 posted on 04/17/2002 10:01:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: FormerLib
Come on we all knew this was coming no that homosexual hoopla is socially exceptable with mainstream society.
56 posted on 04/17/2002 10:06:12 AM PDT by oceanperch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FormerLib;BurkeCalhounDabney;GussiedUp;Clint N. Suhks;*Homosexual Agenda
"NAMBLA, however, did march in "Gay Pride" parades until it was realized that this generated bad press.

As documented in The Overhauling of Straight America

"A media campaign to promote the Gay Victim image should make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream’s sense of threat, which lower its guard, and which enhance the plausibility of victimization. In practical terms, this means that jaunty mustachioed musclemen would keep a very low profile in gay commercials and other public presentation, while sympathetic figures of nice young people, old people, and attractive women would be featured. (It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest margin of acceptability, such as NAMBLA, must play no part at all in such a campaign; suspected child-molesters will never look like victims).


You'll notice that Kirk & Pill didn't say that NAMBLA was unacceptable.

57 posted on 04/17/2002 10:17:23 AM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: FormerLib
Is pedophilia going mainstream? I have a real hard time believing that society will ever tolerate sex between adults and children who haven't reached sexual maturity, let alone accepted it as normal or celebrate it. Even a scourge-of-FR, Liberaltarian weeder like me would never stand for something like that, and I'm sure I'm not alone within my ranks.

But what we have her on this thread is a bunch of different things being lumped together and mis-understood.

Pedophilia < > ephebophilia < > bestiality < > incest < > pederasty < > homosexuality.

Lumping them together and branding them equally evil does nothing for us.

58 posted on 04/17/2002 10:28:35 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
BUMP!
59 posted on 04/17/2002 12:14:40 PM PDT by EdReform
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Hemingway's Ghost
Pedophilia < > ephebophilia < > bestiality < > incest < > pederasty < > homosexuality.

Lumping them together and branding them equally evil does nothing for us.

Sorry, but I believe that you are quite wrong here. Going back to the days of Stonewall, you'll see that the most vocal proponents of the homosexual agenda also target the reducing or elimination of age of consent laws. You may not like facing the truth but Homosexuality leads to ephebophilia, pedophilia, and pederasty. Incest and bestiality are not a direct link but, being Biblically based morals, how long will it be before law against such are scoffed at as religious mores that infringe on individual liberties?

Actually, PETA will probably prevent bestiality from going very far. Guess we'll just have to wait to see if any academics start publishing books about how animals can give consent!

60 posted on 04/17/2002 1:57:15 PM PDT by FormerLib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-74 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson