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The sad truth is that rights once lost are regained only by extraordinary means and no tryanny has ever voluntarily given up power. When they come for you, what will you do?
1 posted on 04/15/2002 10:48:35 AM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto; *bang_list
Disturbing article, though not really news to many. The question regarding the NRA's complicity must be: WHY?
2 posted on 04/15/2002 11:02:36 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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That echoes the official NRA management spin. But over the years, while opposing overt registration, NRA staff has supported a number of insidious de facto registration schemes.

That's a lie. What typically happens is someone proposes a really bad bill like background checks and waiting periods. The NRA fights it. Eventually it becomes obvious that the bill is going to pass, so the NRA gets the worst parts changed, like mandating instant checks instead of waiting periods, and outlawing the keeping of the information from the background checks. Then these politically innefectual anti-gun groups who have never accomplished anything in the real world claim the NRA "supports background checks". Then they twist that into "the NRA supports registration".

The bottom line is, if you want to know who is thawarting the gun-grabbers agenda, look at who they attack. They never mention the GOA and JPFO because they know they have no political clout and are no threat to their agenda. The NRA is, that's why they spend so much time demonizing them.

5 posted on 04/15/2002 12:21:07 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: 45Auto
First, the 1968 NRA is NOT today's NRA. The Cinci revolt changed it.

America has registration via NRA management's "Shall Issue" concealed carry laws, under which permittees are checked, fingerprinted, mug shot, tracked, etc. Vermont-style Carry, on the other hand, effectively presumes good citizens have permits without submitting to invasive probes. (See "Why Adopt a Vermont-style CCW Law?", www.gunowners.org/vtcarry.htm.) So, unlike "Shall Issue", Vermont Carry is not impregnated with registration. Despite that, or because of it, NRA staff has successfully quarantined Vermont Carry in Vermont, threatening legislators who promote it in states where it could pass if only it escaped NRA staff sabotage (see for example, Representative Marilyn Musgrave's letter to Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, www.gunowners.org/musgrave.htm

Do you want NO CARRY? Anyone that advocates VERMONT OR NOTHING is a GUN GRABBER in my book. Why? Since they sabotage any efforts at NO CARRY which is what was in those states beforehand.

I want Vermont carry too, but any GAIN for freedom is worth it. Once shall issue is working, we can eliminate the gun free zones, and then EVENTUALLY, SUCCEED in Vermont carry. Who helped us in Michigan. The NRA did.

For a recent example, see 2-22-02 report by Rocky Mountain Gun Owners at www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2268 (paraphrased): "Few activists knew the sordid details of the compromise. Why? 3 letters: N R A. They ignored the better bill and backed a sponsor who desperately wanted to pass ANY bill...with dozens of holes

It's a START and something to BUILD on. Too many people don't understand that.

What a load. There's not a single gun law for which they prescribe civil disobedience. In fact, they urge full enforcement of all existing gun controls, including those that are illegal, immoral, inhumane, unfair, and unconstitutional.

One word. COURTS

Citizens of America.
Puckett doesn't do anything but bash the NRA.

They say you're better off helping NRA's "Winning" Team and its "grassroots" members councils rather than helping independent efforts

The NRA hasn't hurt us(MCRGO). We are affiliated with them. Maybe if these 'independent' groups quit bashing the NRA all the time and works with them, something effective can happen besides a lot of noise.

And according to Fairfield-Suison council founder Pete Nesbitt, LaPierre "special assistant" Paul Payne threatened to come to Nesbitt's home and beat him — in front of his family

Any proof?

DAvid Brock? WTF kind of a source is that?

suppressing Vermont Carry,
Get a state legislature to pass it. It ain't gonna happen yet.

NRA management has doomed American gun owners to systematic, gradually increasing registration -- that is, unless the gun rights movement wakes up and puts a stop to it.

BULL. The NRA has gone to bat time and time again here.

Moreover, given NRA management's political corruption, its insidious support for gun control, and its paragon of submission to "authority", NRA's membership lists should be presumed compromised, and therefore effectively equivalent to registration lists.

WTF is this horsecrap? Any proof. What 'insidious support for gun control'? Where is the proof. HEY RUSS HOWARD, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR GUN RIGHTS

This is nothing but another hatchet job, on the most EFFECTIVE civil rights organazation in the county. It's the NRA that has stopped the gun grabbers. It is the NRA that congress listens too. It's the NRA that is respected and hated election time. The NRA board is also ELECTED by the MEMBERS.

I'm sticking with the NRA. I have seen their results firsthand in my state. The Russ Howards of this state do nothing but complain. The NRA was in the captiol fighing for CCW here, and before CCW, it was NO CARRY. NONE. ZIP. ZILCH. ZERO. Now we are CCW, and are also GAINING MOMENTUM. We're looking at other reforms now. We're moving on. Russ Howard can lead, follow, or preferably - get the hell out of my way.

6 posted on 04/15/2002 12:25:30 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: 45Auto
NRA = Money for nothing. Chicks for free.
11 posted on 04/15/2002 2:19:17 PM PDT by fightu4it
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