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First, the 1968 NRA is NOT today's NRA. The Cinci revolt changed it.

America has registration via NRA management's "Shall Issue" concealed carry laws, under which permittees are checked, fingerprinted, mug shot, tracked, etc. Vermont-style Carry, on the other hand, effectively presumes good citizens have permits without submitting to invasive probes. (See "Why Adopt a Vermont-style CCW Law?", www.gunowners.org/vtcarry.htm.) So, unlike "Shall Issue", Vermont Carry is not impregnated with registration. Despite that, or because of it, NRA staff has successfully quarantined Vermont Carry in Vermont, threatening legislators who promote it in states where it could pass if only it escaped NRA staff sabotage (see for example, Representative Marilyn Musgrave's letter to Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, www.gunowners.org/musgrave.htm

Do you want NO CARRY? Anyone that advocates VERMONT OR NOTHING is a GUN GRABBER in my book. Why? Since they sabotage any efforts at NO CARRY which is what was in those states beforehand.

I want Vermont carry too, but any GAIN for freedom is worth it. Once shall issue is working, we can eliminate the gun free zones, and then EVENTUALLY, SUCCEED in Vermont carry. Who helped us in Michigan. The NRA did.

For a recent example, see 2-22-02 report by Rocky Mountain Gun Owners at www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2268 (paraphrased): "Few activists knew the sordid details of the compromise. Why? 3 letters: N R A. They ignored the better bill and backed a sponsor who desperately wanted to pass ANY bill...with dozens of holes

It's a START and something to BUILD on. Too many people don't understand that.

What a load. There's not a single gun law for which they prescribe civil disobedience. In fact, they urge full enforcement of all existing gun controls, including those that are illegal, immoral, inhumane, unfair, and unconstitutional.

One word. COURTS

Citizens of America.
Puckett doesn't do anything but bash the NRA.

They say you're better off helping NRA's "Winning" Team and its "grassroots" members councils rather than helping independent efforts

The NRA hasn't hurt us(MCRGO). We are affiliated with them. Maybe if these 'independent' groups quit bashing the NRA all the time and works with them, something effective can happen besides a lot of noise.

And according to Fairfield-Suison council founder Pete Nesbitt, LaPierre "special assistant" Paul Payne threatened to come to Nesbitt's home and beat him — in front of his family

Any proof?

DAvid Brock? WTF kind of a source is that?

suppressing Vermont Carry,
Get a state legislature to pass it. It ain't gonna happen yet.

NRA management has doomed American gun owners to systematic, gradually increasing registration -- that is, unless the gun rights movement wakes up and puts a stop to it.

BULL. The NRA has gone to bat time and time again here.

Moreover, given NRA management's political corruption, its insidious support for gun control, and its paragon of submission to "authority", NRA's membership lists should be presumed compromised, and therefore effectively equivalent to registration lists.

WTF is this horsecrap? Any proof. What 'insidious support for gun control'? Where is the proof. HEY RUSS HOWARD, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR GUN RIGHTS

This is nothing but another hatchet job, on the most EFFECTIVE civil rights organazation in the county. It's the NRA that has stopped the gun grabbers. It is the NRA that congress listens too. It's the NRA that is respected and hated election time. The NRA board is also ELECTED by the MEMBERS.

I'm sticking with the NRA. I have seen their results firsthand in my state. The Russ Howards of this state do nothing but complain. The NRA was in the captiol fighing for CCW here, and before CCW, it was NO CARRY. NONE. ZIP. ZILCH. ZERO. Now we are CCW, and are also GAINING MOMENTUM. We're looking at other reforms now. We're moving on. Russ Howard can lead, follow, or preferably - get the hell out of my way.

Hey Dan, I was just in your so called great State, where the the second amendment does NOT APPLY! You have complete gun registration in your state. You have to register every hand gun with the POLICE. Where was the NRA in your state. When asked what the NRA's position was on the so called gun show loophole, NRA WAyne La'pierre (Canadian) said, "The NRA's position on gun shows is that WE support background checks on ALL guns sold at gun shows." GEE, that sounds like gun registration to me. Where in the 2nd Amendment does it say we have to get PERMISSION from the government to buy a gun? Where in the 2nd Amendment does it say we have to get preappoval from the US GOVERNMENT before we can buy a gun? The NRA agrees with the GOVERNMENT!! WhAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE THE WORDS, "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", Oh , we must have forgot about THAT! Never in the history of our great country have WE the People, had to get permission to buy a gun and we owe our thanks to the NIC"s system invented by, guess who, The NRA!

Hey Dan, I was just in your so called great State, where the the second amendment does NOT APPLY! You have complete gun registration in your state. You have to register every hand gun with the POLICE. Where was the NRA in your state. When asked what the NRA's position was on the so called gun show loophole, NRA WAyne La'pierre (Canadian) said, "The NRA's position on gun shows is that WE support background checks on ALL guns sold at gun shows." GEE, that sounds like gun registration to me. Where in the 2nd Amendment does it say we have to get PERMISSION from the government to buy a gun? Where in the 2nd Amendment does it say we have to get preappoval from the US GOVERNMENT before we can buy a gun? The NRA agrees with the GOVERNMENT!! WhAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE THE WORDS, "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", Oh , we must have forgot about THAT! Never in the history of our great country have WE the People, had to get permission to buy a gun and we owe our thanks to the NIC"s system invented by, guess who, The NRA! Hey Dan, join the GUN SHOW PROTECTION UNION, now!