DON'T TREAD ON ME!
Posted on 04/15/2002 10:48:35 AM PDT by 45Auto
That's a lie. What typically happens is someone proposes a really bad bill like background checks and waiting periods. The NRA fights it. Eventually it becomes obvious that the bill is going to pass, so the NRA gets the worst parts changed, like mandating instant checks instead of waiting periods, and outlawing the keeping of the information from the background checks. Then these politically innefectual anti-gun groups who have never accomplished anything in the real world claim the NRA "supports background checks". Then they twist that into "the NRA supports registration".
The bottom line is, if you want to know who is thawarting the gun-grabbers agenda, look at who they attack. They never mention the GOA and JPFO because they know they have no political clout and are no threat to their agenda. The NRA is, that's why they spend so much time demonizing them.
America has registration via NRA management's "Shall Issue" concealed carry laws, under which permittees are checked, fingerprinted, mug shot, tracked, etc. Vermont-style Carry, on the other hand, effectively presumes good citizens have permits without submitting to invasive probes. (See "Why Adopt a Vermont-style CCW Law?", www.gunowners.org/vtcarry.htm.) So, unlike "Shall Issue", Vermont Carry is not impregnated with registration. Despite that, or because of it, NRA staff has successfully quarantined Vermont Carry in Vermont, threatening legislators who promote it in states where it could pass if only it escaped NRA staff sabotage (see for example, Representative Marilyn Musgrave's letter to Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, www.gunowners.org/musgrave.htm
Do you want NO CARRY? Anyone that advocates VERMONT OR NOTHING is a GUN GRABBER in my book. Why? Since they sabotage any efforts at NO CARRY which is what was in those states beforehand.
I want Vermont carry too, but any GAIN for freedom is worth it. Once shall issue is working, we can eliminate the gun free zones, and then EVENTUALLY, SUCCEED in Vermont carry. Who helped us in Michigan. The NRA did.
For a recent example, see 2-22-02 report by Rocky Mountain Gun Owners at www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2268 (paraphrased): "Few activists knew the sordid details of the compromise. Why? 3 letters: N R A. They ignored the better bill and backed a sponsor who desperately wanted to pass ANY bill...with dozens of holes
It's a START and something to BUILD on. Too many people don't understand that.
What a load. There's not a single gun law for which they prescribe civil disobedience. In fact, they urge full enforcement of all existing gun controls, including those that are illegal, immoral, inhumane, unfair, and unconstitutional.
One word. COURTS
Citizens of America.
Puckett doesn't do anything but bash the NRA.
They say you're better off helping NRA's "Winning" Team and its "grassroots" members councils rather than helping independent efforts
The NRA hasn't hurt us(MCRGO). We are affiliated with them. Maybe if these 'independent' groups quit bashing the NRA all the time and works with them, something effective can happen besides a lot of noise.
And according to Fairfield-Suison council founder Pete Nesbitt, LaPierre "special assistant" Paul Payne threatened to come to Nesbitt's home and beat him — in front of his family
Any proof?
DAvid Brock? WTF kind of a source is that?
suppressing Vermont Carry,
Get a state legislature to pass it. It ain't gonna happen yet.
NRA management has doomed American gun owners to systematic, gradually increasing registration -- that is, unless the gun rights movement wakes up and puts a stop to it.
BULL. The NRA has gone to bat time and time again here.
Moreover, given NRA management's political corruption, its insidious support for gun control, and its paragon of submission to "authority", NRA's membership lists should be presumed compromised, and therefore effectively equivalent to registration lists.
WTF is this horsecrap? Any proof. What 'insidious support for gun control'? Where is the proof. HEY RUSS HOWARD, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR GUN RIGHTS
This is nothing but another hatchet job, on the most EFFECTIVE civil rights organazation in the county. It's the NRA that has stopped the gun grabbers. It is the NRA that congress listens too. It's the NRA that is respected and hated election time. The NRA board is also ELECTED by the MEMBERS.
I'm sticking with the NRA. I have seen their results firsthand in my state. The Russ Howards of this state do nothing but complain. The NRA was in the captiol fighing for CCW here, and before CCW, it was NO CARRY. NONE. ZIP. ZILCH. ZERO. Now we are CCW, and are also GAINING MOMENTUM. We're looking at other reforms now. We're moving on. Russ Howard can lead, follow, or preferably - get the hell out of my way.
The NRA had lobbied for a law like GCA '68 as far back as August 1962. In that month's edition of "The American Rifleman," the NRA voiced support for such a measure that came to pass as GCA '68 some six years later, doing so in "the interests of national security."
Ostensibly, in the NRA's editorial view, the USA was being "flooded" with lower-priced (but not cheap) imported sporting firearms as well as plentiful and inexpensive surplus military ones; US firearms makers were in turn seeing losses in their domestic market share (much like US automakers would in the 1970s and '80s--hence their clamor for similar import restrictions and "domestic content legislation.") The 1967 Stoeger Arms catalog strenuously advocated (ostensibly for "safety reasons) against any attempt to "sporterize" surplus military small arms.
The NRA claimed at that time such continued imports would harm the domestic firearms industry, supposedly doing so to the point that we in the USA would no longer have the productive capacity to produce our own arms in time of war. Defense Secretary McNamara soon backed such a law as well, and all that may in part explain why so many "celebrities" (among them Heston, Kirk Douglas and Jimmy Stewart) as well as Tom "Billy Jack" Laughlin and his lobbying group "Citizens For Reasonable Gun Control" backed GCA '68.
Moreover, by 1968, groups like the Black Panthers (who had lawfully acquired numerous surplus M1 Garand rifles and M1 carbines through the government's Civilian Marksmanship Program) were being used as bogeys to further push GCA '68--in fact, at the time, Eldridge Cleaver called GCA '68 "not a gun control law, but a ni--er control law."
History may have repeated itself in this vein somewhat beginning in the 1990s, ironically with the collapse of the USSR. With Russia and the former East Bloc nations entering the US commercial arms market with a wide variety of good quality, lower priced firearms, a string of more gun control laws magically worked its way through Congress, after a near two decade hiatus in such measures; mostly notable being the baffling "assault rifle ban," one that copied some aspects of the aforementioned "domestic content legislation" previously sought by US automakers.
I certainly don't call for violence, now or in the future, to solve this problem. However, I'm sure that the fascist left-wingers who contemplate a gun grab think about the possible unintended consequences - otherwise it might have already happened.
DON'T TREAD ON ME!
When you can get these laws overturned in court or repealed that infringe on the 2nd amendment, I will join your group. Until then, I'll stick with the NRA and MCRGO. I see results from them. I see laws REPEALED(old transportation law) from them.
Maybe I'll see you at the capitol.
"America has registration via the Gun Control Act of 1968, supported by Charlton Heston and NRA management."
What tommyrot!
Does this guy think that Mr. Heston and the rest at the top of the NRA were in office in 1968, and approved the GCA?
How many people will show up at a pro-gun rally to hear Russ Williams (?) speak?
How many to hear Charlton Heston?
Charlton Heston may have some flaws in his positions, but attacking him for not being perfect is absolute unmitigated stupidity.
He's on OUR side!
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