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I hope you all will take the time to give me your thoughts about Isa 18:1. Not only does Babylon the Harlot in Revelation sound like the USofA, but this land "Sadowing with wings" also sounds like us. While even Babylons national symbol was the eagle, as is ours, and other past nations have used the eagle as a symbol, our's is the only one is history as far as I know that has the eagle with out stretched wings. Some translations of Isa 18:1 has it as "Woe to the land shadowing with buzzing wings". And if you live near an airport, or in a air traffic pattern, even if you don't, every picnic you have ever been on, or any out door barbq, you hear the buzz of aircraft.

"Go ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, (some translations say spread out and polished), to a people terrible from their begining hitherto;(a strong people with a strong military and a history of not losing wars), (some translations has it as a people tall and smooth of skin).

A nation strong and treading down, (some have it has a nation of line and line and treading underfoot), our nation is divided into states, any map shows the line upon line and the boundires of each state, the entire country has been treaded underfoot measuring these dividing lines).

Whose land the river's divide, (some have it as "whose land the rivers despise), which means the same thing, the rivers of this nation cut and quater the nation. Our Missippi River despises the land almost in half, and many other rivers quarter us and divide the land.

My problem is, is that I don't understand the rest of it, sheesh. I am guessing that the verse says When he lifts up an ensign on the mountains, and when he blows a trumpet, hear ye. Who is blowing the trumpet and setting up an ensign? God? Or this nation that is being spoken of? When I look at the times that God blows a trumpet or set's up an ensign, he wants the world's attention on how badly He is going to destroy a place, or how much he is going to bless a place, or to put the world's attention on something. If it is the nations setting up and ensign and blowing a trumpet, then God intends for the world to listen to that nation.

I take it two ways this nation spoken of is destroyed so utterly in it's strength, it never loses a big war until the time it is destroyed and yet the last verse, after this destruction, or this nation destroys many, at the last it says, "In that time shall the present be brought unto the Lord of a hosts of a people scattered and peeled, tall and polished, terrible from their begining hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden underfoot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, the the place of the name of the Lord of hosts, the mount Zion". So I take this to mean that there are some survivors? Maybe?

I would love to have all of your views on the possibility of this being the USofA, and if it is, what does the rest of the verses mean? Such as, "I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwellingplace like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest" etc. Thank you in advance.

Zechariah 2

⁶ "Up, up! Flee from the land of the north," says the LORD; "for I have spread you abroad like the four winds of heaven," says the LORD.⁷"Up, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon."
⁸For thus says the LORD of hosts: "He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye.⁹For surely I will shake My hand against them, and they shall become spoil for their servants. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me.
¹⁰"Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion! For behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst," says the LORD.¹¹"Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.¹²And the LORD will take possession of Judah as His inheritance in the Holy Land, and will again choose Jerusalem.¹³Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD, for He is aroused from His holy habitation!"

Land of the north, Russia
Daughter of Babylon = America

Outside of Israel were do most Jews (Zion) live?

Isaiah 47
Rev. 18

A friend at FR asked me to comment on your Isaiah 18 post.
The foundation for 18 is Cush..which in Isaiahs day was the 'Ethiopian 25th dynasty'..King Tirhakah.
This Dynasty ruled Egypt and Ethiopia..and was a Juggernaut.
Ethiopian armies served in other Egyptian Armies..most notably the army of 'Shishak'..that sacked Jerusalem.
'Cush' is mentioned in Ezekiel chap 38..the battle with Gog.
Isaiah 18 vs 1 ..Land of whirring wings..which sends envoys by the sea..in papyrus boats..over the water.
Prophecy carries the value of duality..what was spoken in the time of the prophet can happen again,or be a marker to a future scenario..but here one must be very carefull to say this is such and such.
The Apostle Paul.. Rav Shaul said we see through a glass dimly..meaning we percieve vaugely.
Certainly the U.S. is the world leader in aviation...Her diplomatic history is replete with overnight Envoy activity to any spot on the globe..so ya..the Envoy over water theme.
Papyrus is an interesting conotation..as reeds made boat hulls..but also paper a very thin and fragile medium for the time.
If the Prophet saw a modern jet liner..and noted its thin fuselage..he might have equated it to Papyrus of his time.
Some comment that scripture is strangely silent concerning America...Yes...but only just now..soon events will unfold..and the picture will be defined more clearly.
Since the early 80's in my life the theme of a one world system with global power has emerged..many have tried to attach scripture to America here..some have only framed Papal Rome..others just Iraq[Babylon].
My Spirit has allways witnessed the realm of "Principalities and powers"..litterly the Demonic.
The scriptures clearly reveal the 'Wrath to come'..upon all...all who take the mark of the beast.
Here is where America is too be seen.
Henry Kissinger brought and initiated many of the forms which are the foundation to the beast system..[No Kissinger is not the A.C.]..These foundations were implimented in Australia and Newzealand decades ago..seeing that both are isolated Islands,where business is done first globally each day..and are socialist..meaning adapted forms are not readily rebelled against..it began.
The Bar code /economic identsystem.
The national I.D Card.
The Debit card.
The MESH BLOCK..satillite location grid system.

Here the bugs were worked out on tracking an individuals spending and transit movement...
The system is inplace in America..Applied to Americas economy instages..with Federal law written to.
Now Subcutinous implants are available...soon a national I.D. system with a computer chip.
So yes..America is very much part of the mark of the beast system..and will recieve the Judgements listed in the Revelation of Jesus[Yeshua].
Some of us will escape by Divine will..others will become the Saints whose blood cries out before the throne for Righteous Judgement by our Lord.
"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it..but whoever loses his life for My sake..will save it unto life Eternal"

Germany also has a symbol of outstretched wings. I have read the Isaiah 18 ideas pro and con, and lean toward pro. But it is pretty clear that the pro side is willing to stretch a bit to get there. To me the Isaiah 14-18 series is a description of the Middle East and Nuclear war, with the humbling of America thrown in. I think far too many liberal ideas have spoiled a beautiful nation, when we are willing to sacrifice our children on the altar of convenience, and allow any religion taught in schools except the religion that was the foundation of our nation. I feel anybody has the freedom to choose what god they will worship, and will pay the price for their choice or refusal to choose. It is pretty clear that the ones who gained control under the banner of freedom, are working very hard to deny that freedom now to Christians. Seems they were liars, and the war with Islam is waking us up to liars. CS Lewis said he though war was good for the nation, for fat cat happiness lead to spiritual death, but the stress of war made man examine himself. That is what I think the description of America held captive to a season of air superiority and followed by a season of ground occupation is for. To get America to once again submit to the authority of God, instead of worshiping freedom over God. America will repent, and will survive as a nation in the millennium. Few other nations will. The Eee Uuu is toast.

That is my very amateur read of the prophecies. Leave it to the heavy weights to battle it out, I am no prophet.