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Southern pride rising ... rankling
4-14-02

Posted on 04/13/2002 10:36:17 PM PDT by JohnnyReb1983

RALEIGH, N.C. (2001-01-25) Vicky Poston is a Reb with a cause.

When Alcoa Inc. banned Confederate symbols from workers' cars at its North Carolina plant last year, Ms. Poston did something rare for a propriety-conscious Southerner: She took to the streets in protest.

As big rigs honked in support and a protester waved the battle flag from a Ford Mustang convertible, Poston and 150 activists pushed the big aluminum firm to scale back its ban on Confederate license plates, bumper stickers, and other regalia.

After years of enduring similar prohibitions on things Confederate, emboldened Southerners are increasingly donning their Dixie duds and unfurling traditional state flags in defense of embattled Southern heroes and symbols.

From the palm-fronded streets of Charleston, S.C., to the historic storefronts of Selma, Ala., the movement reflects a reawakening of traditional Southern pride and a strong sense of regionalism.

Indeed, the growing backlash against efforts to take down the flag - including the recent legislative battles in South Carolina, Georgia, and Mississippi - may signal a deeper shift in Southern culture. The rise of a new political class of Confederate sympathizers indicates that many are ready to reawaken Confederate ideals such as states' rights and sovereignty.

To be sure, Southern partisanship evokes images of Jim Crow and slavery to much of the country. And ominous motives may well lie behind some of the activists. Yet experts say many of those embracing the new movement are driven more by regional pride, resistance to the Federal government, and a desire to reconnect with a lost heritage. They'd like to recast the South as the last bastion of civility, independence, and constitutional ideals.

Critics, though, see darker tones in the surge in Southern pride - and a collision with the values of the New South.

"These guys are very much building the intellectual capital which they hope to make the foundation for a ... reborn Confederacy," says Mark Potok, editor of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report in Montgomery, Ala. And the size scares him. "You have 9,000 and 15,000-person membership rolls, huge groups littered with PhDs, doctors, and lawyers, which are vastly more politically dangerous than any Klan or neo-Nazi group could ever be."

Southern partisans are certainly rallying the troops:

*Last Saturday, more than 2,000 people showed up in Atlanta to celebrate the birthday of Confederate General Robert E. Lee - most years, the celebration draws about 300 people.

*Southerners are increasingly putting up new Confederate monuments along the South's tobacco roads. A statue of a controversial Civil War general went up near a black neighborhood in Selma, Ala., late last year.

*This weekend, League of the South will open its North Carolina State University chapter in Raleigh - one in a string of recent gambits to bring Southern youths back to Confederate ideals. The director says the league's South Carolina chapter saw a 300 percent increase in membership last year.

*After a five-year planning period, the Southern Party was formed last year in Asheville, N.C. It advocates regional independence and the end of the South's role as "the nation's whipping boy."

In perhaps the greatest show of Confederate unity yet, thousands of battle flags went up on memorials and front lawns across South Carolina the day they removed the flag from the statehouse last June. "It was like Christmas in Cuba," says Mike Tuggle, the leader of a Southern independence group in Charlotte, N.C.

Some say the pro-Southern activities are in part a reaction to anti-Southern efforts. "People are having to stand up for what they believe in," says Chris Sullivan, editor of the conservative Southern Partisan magazine in Columbia, S.C.

Despite an explosion in their numbers, these new Confederate sympathizers, like their forefathers, are still outnumbered.

Southern partisans are losing the big battles. A travel boycott by the 500,000-strong NAACP finally pushed the South Carolina legislature to move the Southern cross state flag from the top of the State House to a nearby soldier's memorial. On Wednesday, facing a similar boycott threat, Georgia's House of Representatives voted to redesign the state flag to minimize the Southern cross.

And in what promises to be a bellwether gauge of the feelings of the New South, Mississippi residents will go to the polls for an April referendum to decide what to do about the Confederate insignia on their state flag.

While many Southerners claim the St. Andrew's cross is a proud symbol of a heritage and principles their forefathers fought to save, others call it an "ugly memory." They recall the 1950s, when many state capitols unfurled it as a show of Southern defiance against federal desegregation measures.

And the idea that the country has decided to erase all things Southern is unfounded, says Potok. "The war occurred, and there's no point in pretending it didn't. Besides, removing all signs of the Civil War is a little akin to the Soviets airbrushing assassinated leaders out of photographs."

In the end, the reawakening of Confederate ideals is about much more than tugging on an old flag. Deeper historical, religious, and political forces are at work, says Walter Williams, chairman of the economics department at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "A lot of this might be the resurrection of some ... issues that led up to the War Between the States in 1861," he says. "Specifically, the heavyhandedness of the federal government. And that's why you're seeing a lot of renewed interest in the 10th Amendment and states' rights."

At least in the South, the old Confederate ideas have found fresh root in the red Dixie clay. "I think it comes down to the simple fact that [people] are alienated in modern life," says Mr. Tuggle. "There are a lot of changes going on.... The Confederate heritage gives you something very important to hold onto."


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To: Jasper
HALF-TIME....I love it!
101 posted on 04/15/2002 8:49:27 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: wirestripper
I enjoyed your rant. There are a lot of educated (along with the obviously not so educated) fools who think if they shout something long enough and loud enough it will make it so. And suppose these revisionists should win and the history of slavery is ultimately wiped fron the American consciousness? How then could we assure that it would not happen again? I would suggest that it is not so far-fetched as it sounds. Indeed, it seems to me that many of us are little more than indentured servants to the federal government as it is. And for the racist liberal blacks that are so big on "reparations" wouldn't they have an even harder time "justifying" their position (not that it is justifiable to begin with)?
102 posted on 04/15/2002 9:01:37 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Twodees
"Southern Pride is the only American Pride left."

You said it very well.

103 posted on 04/15/2002 9:06:09 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: wardaddy
"Which formerly banned FReeper are you?"

Unbelievabley Patriotic - current status:

"No current Freeper by that name." LOL!

104 posted on 04/15/2002 9:12:02 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
Good point sweet! As I had ranted previously, My genetic line has absolutely nothing to do with black slavery and were in fact European slaves themselves at times. It is a wonder any even made it out of there. Just my grandparents as far as I know.

I wonder what it would be like if I did not know about these things, and was as ignorant as this other fellow about reality.(note: he brought God into his last rant) They must preach this stuff in their churches.

Slavery is illegal in this country. Every single person who ever had anything to do with it is long,long, dead. The republican party made sure that all the slaves were freed, and those are the facts, nothing but the facts.

105 posted on 04/15/2002 9:23:19 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: stainlessbanner
"They are going to run back to DU and post some mamba jamba about how revolting Southron FReepers are."

Should be good for at least a couple of threads over there about how FR is a hate site, full of mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging racists. Where do these morons come from? Oh yeah, the DU. I forgot.

106 posted on 04/15/2002 9:25:09 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: gratefulwharffratt
Ratty, thanks for the ping. Got my day started on the right foot. God bless Dixie!


107 posted on 04/15/2002 9:26:46 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
If you ever get to Monticello, throw that PC box of yours in the car and drop it by my shop. I will get it back to you before you leave. I might be able to use my stuff to get you fixed if it is the same version. I can send you the address via freep mail.
108 posted on 04/15/2002 9:34:37 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
I might take you up on that. This thing is being miserable the past week or so.
109 posted on 04/15/2002 9:45:36 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: wirestripper
Excellent!
BTW, liked your bio., you are welcome here in knoxville
anytime. Although, knoxville is about as Southern as
southern Toledo.
God Bless
110 posted on 04/15/2002 10:06:15 AM PDT by cd ..
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To: cd ..
Arkansas is not as southern as some. We were a border state as well and most of the fighting occured in the border states. That is why the historical significance of the confederate flag becomes even more important due the the huge sacrifices of life and property. Arkansas was on the fence about the issue for some time but when it's land and people were put at risk they got off that fence. They had many a battle in the state capital before joining the confederacy.

BTW, been to Knoxville back in my younger days. That is the first time I heard a southern accent.

111 posted on 04/15/2002 10:21:27 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: sweetliberty
Your servant, ma'am. Good to cyber-seeya today.
112 posted on 04/15/2002 12:36:20 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
"Good to cyber-seeya today"

Same to you sir.

113 posted on 04/15/2002 12:48:33 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: gratefulwharffratt
In that I partially agree. Jim Crow has not ended or eroded, it merely went underground. The greatest victory the South has ever achieved is convincing Northern Liberals of the existence of the "New South".
114 posted on 04/15/2002 4:18:40 PM PDT by Goodness Gracious
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To: sweetliberty
heavily represented by conservatives and the Union by liberals.

What? You talk like there's no conservatives in Yankee Land. Just how many people would the "Union" allocate to rounding up the panty waist liberals to fight?

115 posted on 04/15/2002 5:31:06 PM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: jwh_Denver
Perhaps I should have been clearer. What I was trying to say is that the divide would be more ideological today than geographical. And it would indeed be entertaining to see the feds try to rally the panty waste liberals. I didn't mean to imply that there were no good conservatives in yankeeland. ;-)
116 posted on 04/15/2002 6:14:07 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
LOL! My post was TIC. The limit of 1 million rocks turned over to find the scardy pants commie lib yellow bellies!
117 posted on 04/15/2002 6:44:26 PM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: Goodness Gracious
Jim Crow ended down here in earnest. In the north it simply went underground. Places heavily infested with liberalism are the place where racial division is strongest. You would never admit to that. No liberal ever will.
118 posted on 04/16/2002 3:20:36 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
Oh, I see, the "i know you are but what am i" argument.

Jim Crow never existed in the North, it is a decidedly Southern tradition of dividing people, and putting limits on freedoms and what they can achieve.

Much like Socialist programs, Jim Crow is a crutch for the insecure and undeserving to maintain their own status by exerting control over those who were not born into the power class.

Racial division is easily far greater in the South, it truly is a desperate attempt to argue otherwise. The only time Southerners acknowledge blacks is when they tell them not to be offended by their desire to fly the flag of a failed army. Then, out come the chains and the pickup truck.

Perhaps your vocabulary is the problem, so I won't focus on your words too carefully. Perhaps you meant to say that racial conflict occurs more in the North. I'd love to see the evidence. Then I'll show you a demographic makeup of the 2 regions.

Funny that blacks fled the South in droves, despite the North being so "divisive".

And to call me a LIbEral because I called a rose a rose is absurd. Teachers often teach the young that name-calling is the last resort of a person who cannot admit defeat. Perhaps your teacher was busy hanging the flag of the failed army you love so much.

119 posted on 04/16/2002 10:55:28 PM PDT by Goodness Gracious
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To: Goodness Gracious
Jim Crow never existed in the north? You must be 20 years old, getting all your info from TV. Jim Crow laws were first passed in the north, in Delaware. All the Black Codes which were passed in the Southern states after the war were modeled on those which had been in effect in Illinois, Indiana, Ohio and other northern states since before the war.

The postwar "voting rights" decrees were for the Southern states only. Northern states voted against allowing the vote for black people.

Post your demographic studies. There are now and always have been more black Americans in the South than in the north. We all get along better down here and we always have. You're saying the exact same things the liberals say about the South and you've never been here, so that makes you sound like a liberal, your odd partial capitalization of the word aside.

Back before you were born, during the civil rights movement that you've only read about, there were race riots. Every single one of them happened in states which had been union states during the war. Given your fantasy of beautiful race relations in the north, why didn't the riots happen in Atlanta, Richmond, New Orleans and Charlotte? The "Underground Railroad" terminated in Canada, not in the northern US, because white northerners hated black people.

No Jim Crow in the north? That would be funny if it weren't so ignorant. Rent a copy of the old classic movie, "A Raisin in the Sun" made in 1957. Follow the story line, then notice where the story is set. Let me know what you find out, kid. Look back over your posts and see who started with the name calling. You've had nothing to say that wasn't based on liberal propaganda, and you wonder why I called you a liberal. You certainly aren't a conservative.

120 posted on 04/17/2002 2:40:58 AM PDT by Twodees
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