The Real Abraham Lincoln

The Laissez Faire Electronic Times ^ | Tibor R. Machan

[WhiskeyPapa]

No Supreme Court?

No Supreme Court was ever empanelled in the so-called CSA.

Walt

[Non-Sequitur]

In his dalliance with history did Mr. Machan ever come across the fact that Jefferson Davis also suspended the writ of habeas corpus throughout the south? I didn't think so. Did he ever come across the fact that over 8,000 people were jailed without trial in the confederacy? That wouldn't fit into his agenda. While lamenting the intrusive government of Lincoln did Mr. Machan realize that the Davis government forced private farm owners to sell a percentage of their agricultural produce to the government at a set price to support the war effort? Or that the Davis government forced the owners of blockade runners to reserve a significant percentage of the cargo space for the government, at prices far below the fair market value? Or that the Davis government could conscript slave labor without compensation for military purposes? Not if he limits he reading to DiLorenzo or Adams he won't. It seems that we have yet another example of someone willing to parrot DiLorenzo without doing any research on their own. Over the last two weeks or so does anyone have any idea how many columnists have been spared the need to actually go out and work? They just spout out DiLorenzo-isms ad nauseum and call it journalism.

[jrherreid]

Summary for those who don't have time to read the whole thing:

Lincoln, Lincoln
I've been thinkin'
What in the world
Have you been drinkin'?

Tastes like whisky
Smells like wine
Oh my gosh!
It's turpentine.

[billbears]

That doesn't mean it wasn't in the Constitution. Non implied that it wasn't when it was in the system. Even the colonies waited until after the Revolutionary War before they rolled out their full government. The CSA was being invaded illegally by the north unless you somehow forgot

[Non-Sequitur]

No, no Supreme Court. The confederate government never established one. What, you think that Davis would let a Supreme Court stand in his way? "If the law works then it's constitutional," was his motto. Why take the chance that nine old men would interfere?

[Non-Sequitur]

The difference, dear billbears, was that the Declaration of Independence didn't require a Supreme Court while the confederate constitution did. The confederate govenment had time to establish a postal system, but no supreme court? They had time to vote tariffs and the means to collect them, but no supreme court? They had a state department, despite the fact that not a single foreign country recognized them, but no supreme court? They even had an attorney general, but no supreme court. What ever did the poor man do, other than roll over for Jefferson Davis?

[zarf]

Wasn't Lincoln a butt plugger too?

[WhiskeyPapa]

The CSA was being invaded illegally by the north unless you somehow forgot

I know if you proclaim the Kingdon of Billbears, you'll have as much legitimacy as the so-called CSA.

The so-called CSA couldn't maintain itself for a single day --not one -- with its borders intact.

In the Kingdom of Billbears you might do better than that. If the feds don't find out.

And of course it ALMOST goes without saying that your posting that excerpt from the constitution of the so-called CSA was a blatant attempt to deceive; one that you SURELY had to know would exposed within ten minutes.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

He lost a close contest for the senate in 1858 (one in which he received more popular votes than his opponent).

Irrelevant at best, total ignorance of the Constitution at least. You really are an Al Gore supporter, aren't you? And a pretty stupid comment, even considering your track record.

I look at post # 16 and I almost wonder why you don't take anything else from it to reply to.

But I know the answer: Because you know better.

Walt

[Non-Sequitur]

The diffrence is that southern slave owners preferred going to war over what they perceived as a threat to their institution of slavery, while the British slave owners did not. In fact, the south started the war 141 years ago today.

[ml/nj]

Not one time someplace. Inumerable times right here at Fr. I am not trying to squelch debate. I'm trying to find debate. This article is rehash.

I see a lot of the articles but cetainly not all.

Maybe you could provide a couple of links to posts I missed that drew attention to the difference between the treatment of Jefferson and Lincoln and/or those who criticize either.

ML/NJ

[billbears]

the constitution of the so-called CSA was a blatant attempt to deceive; one that you SURELY had to know would exposed within ten minutes.

LOL!!! No Walt, I was just showing that the CSA had it in their Constitution like you were trying to cover up. And at least they weren't trying to circumvent the Constitution to start a war unlike some we could name

Kingdom of Billbears....I like it!! Has a ring to it. Sorry you wouldn't be able to live there Walt. You see it would be a Constitutional Republic, not a Socialist Democracy and you being an avid worshipper of lincoln I imagine you wouldn't like it too much

[stainlessbanner]

I would agree that freedom is a basic human right. However, the Union did not fight to free slaves. The article clearly points out Lincoln's goal of preserving the Union - not freeing slaves. Had the Union fought to free slaves, you could argue their case on the grounds of human rights and freedom.

[WhiskeyPapa]

LOL!!! No Walt, I was just showing that the CSA had it in their Constitution like you were trying to cover up.

All I said was that no SCOTCSA was empanelled. So I didn't try to cover up anything, liar.

Walt

[stainlessbanner]

If there was a violation, is it too late to seek compensation?

Yes, too late. I have friends that have records that show their ancestors owned slaves - it's not really something to be proud of. None of them would ever dream of asking for compensation for the slaves they never got to own. On the flip-side the advocates of slave reparations have no shame and they beg for government handouts.

[humbletheFiend]

Yes, too late. I have friends that have records that show their ancestors owned slaves - it's not really something to be proud of. None of them would ever dream of asking for compensation for the slaves they never got to own. On the flip-side the advocates of slave reparations have no shame and they beg for government handouts.

No harm, no foul?

Do you think that the Lincoln Administration wrought any damage to our constitutional structure that has been permanent and irreversible?

[ml/nj]

Maybe you could provide a couple of links to posts I missed ...

Stilllllllll ..... Waiting.

ML/NJ

[Huck]

Waiting for what? For me to use the FR search function, pick out the first ten threads that all use DiLorenzo's book to discount Jaffa and advance the same tired arguments about Lincoln? And then I am supposed to type in a bunch of a href tags so that you can conveniently click on them? Keep waiting. I stand by my remarks. I appreciate that the "still waiting" sarcastic post is a well-worn tactic around here, but I just ain't interested. A quick glance at the progress of this thread since my original post shows that I was correct in my prognosis.

[Non-Sequitur]

And at least they weren't trying to circumvent the Constitution to start a war unlike some we could name.

But Davis did circumvent the confederate constitution by not naming a supreme court, didn't he? But hey, why did the confederacy need all those darned checks and balances that they talk about in civics class anyway? They just get in the way.

[weikel]

Lincoln was a pragmatist he knew personal attacks by him on slavery would not speed up its abolition but he did want it abolished preferably by compensating the slave owners the hotheads in South Carolina screwed up everything by seceding the minute he was elected.