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1 posted on 04/10/2002 12:56:10 PM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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To: Tom Jefferson; Marine Inspector
The Palestinian terrorists -- Arafat, the Palestine Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and the al-Aksa Martyrs -- along with the governments in Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Iran who support their terror and their genocidal agendas are the Nazis of the Middle East.

And there you have it. Anyone who doesn't understand that connection will never get it, or is of the same heart and mind.

33 posted on 04/10/2002 2:09:04 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Tom Jefferson; Squantos; GeronL; Billie; sinkspur; Slyfox; San Jacinto; SpookBrat; COB1...
HOROWITZ: A MIDDLE EAST HISTORY PRIMER

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The productivity and tolerance of the Jews in the state they created have given birth to an Arab citizenry inside Israel of more than one million people. Unlike their Arab brethren, these Arab citizens of Israel vote in free elections and are themselves elected to the Israeli parliament. Their status provides an eloquent contrast to the intolerant and hate-filled world that surrounds and threatens the Jewish state.

As Israelis citizens, Arabs have more rights, privileges and opportunities than the inhabitants of any Arab state in the Middle East. At the same time, the so-called Palestinian refugees of the West Bank are barred even from becoming citizens in 21 of the 22 Arab nations. That's why they are "refugees." Because the Arabs want them to be miserable and destitute, and available as cannon fodder for their suicide wars against Israel. In contrast, the 600,000 Jewish refugees who fled or were expelled from Arab countries after the 1948 war have been fully resettled in Israel where they are productive citizens who desperately want peace.

What is the crime of the Jews that they should not have been welcomed into this unpromising desert -- a tiny sliver of the Turkish Empire -- from the very beginning? What is the crime of the Jews that their infant state should have been attacked by five Arab armies on the day of its creation? What is the crime of the Jews that these Arab states should have continued their war for fifty years without a peace in sight? What is the crime of the Jews that these Arabs should make Jewish women and children the targets of their suicide bombers, and that their leader should call for millions of "martyrs" to plow into the heart of the Jewish sliver to blow up its inhabitants once and for all?

Their crime is that they are Jews. Their crime is that they are heathens in the empire of Islam. Islam divides the world into Dar al Islam, the "house of Islam," and Dar al Harb, the "house of war," which is the house of infidels who -- if they do not convert - could or should be put to the sword. Perhaps there is a moderate Islam that rejects this alternative and has found a way to live peacefully with unbelievers who are its neighbors. But such an Islam does not exist as a political force in the Arab Middle East today.


Excellent commentary by David Horowitz. Thanks for posting this TJ!


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34 posted on 04/10/2002 2:12:47 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Tom Jefferson
Below is info I received today - has probably been posted on FR already but there it just toooooo much to keep up with everything. If it has - forgive. If not, it gives a concise summary of what is happening here:

(This summary was compiled by a Christian professor - but I don't know his/her name)

HERE'S THE BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY .

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. 8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory.

13. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey. 14. The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

15. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

16. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

17. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

18. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

19. The U. N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

21. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

35 posted on 04/10/2002 2:13:02 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Tom Jefferson
You have GOT to read Bibi's book "A Durable Peace". I have not been able to put it down. It is so detailed with all of this history.
36 posted on 04/10/2002 2:14:55 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Tom Jefferson
As Israelis citizens, Arabs have more rights, privileges and opportunities than the inhabitants of any Arab state in the Middle East.

This bears repeating.

Arabs who are citizens of Israel have more freedom than almost anywhere else in the Middle East.

37 posted on 04/10/2002 2:14:59 PM PDT by TomB
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To: Tom Jefferson
Yeah!!!!!....go Dave!
39 posted on 04/10/2002 2:21:02 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Tom Jefferson
BUMP TO COMMON SENSE.
40 posted on 04/10/2002 2:22:31 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Tom Jefferson
. . Nazis of the Middle East.

Only place where I mildly disagree with Horowitz. Actually the nazis had a sense of shame and located their concentration camps in the most remote areas possible. To this day, their apologists (including Noam Chomsky) try to deny their existence.

The Islamist nazis, on the other hand, are proud of the devil's work which they do and put it on public display for all to see and to inspire and motivate future butchers of the innocent.

54 posted on 04/10/2002 3:56:36 PM PDT by Rubber Ducky
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To: Tom Jefferson
Bump for a later read...
55 posted on 04/10/2002 3:56:49 PM PDT by BornOnTheFourth
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To: Tom Jefferson
noted for later read
74 posted on 04/10/2002 6:08:49 PM PDT by week 71
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To: Tom Jefferson
BUMP for a great piece!

I'll have to send this to my dad who emailed me for the Whitehouse address to protest Bush's inconsistency on Israel's doing for itself what we are doing on our own behalf.

As I told him:
Bush is being completely inconsistent. Arafat and all the rest of the Islamic terrorists are just different heads of the same hydra. It's true that Arafat is about as Muslim as the moon is green cheese, but he manipulates the entire situation by the Islamic and anti-Jew and anti-Israel aspects to push his own agenda. There was already too much accomodation by previous presidents, especially the Bent One, of Arafat. As far as Arab "leaders", there are no democratically-elected "leaders". They all hate Israel and have been the major players manipulating the "Palestinians" since the very beginning as another means to attack Israel. It's just war by another means.

Israel has already suffered far more from Arafat and others than the U.S. did on 9/11. If we have a right as a nation to protect ourselves by going after terrorists and states that support them, then Israel has the same right and we have no right to interfere. If Bush wants to say "It's inconvenient for us for you guys in Israel to take out Arafat and the rest of the terrorists because we've already been conferring legitimacy upon them and to stand by and say nothing against you makes us look inconsistent", that's okay, but he shouldn't be acting as though what Israel is doing is somehow inconsistent with his initial statement on fighting terrorism.

I don't see why anyone should be surprised that there could be a religion that promotes a worldview that states that all unbelievers are to be either converted or conquered or that specifically targets another religious group for especial brutality. I mean, that's exactly what Hitler was doing. And before and during WWII the Arab/Muslims were in full lock step with the Nazis. Anyone who says that Hitler/Naziism was politics not religion doesn't understand either politics OR religion.

83 posted on 04/10/2002 7:17:54 PM PDT by aruanan
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the boundary between Israel and Syria is still referred to as the "green line," symbolizing the difference between the Israeli side, which under the care of the Jews has become fertile ground, and the Arabs' side, which is still a desert. On their sliver of land the Jews also built the only industrial and democratic nation in the entire Middle East.

I lived in Israel when I turned 18 years old. I remember going to that border and being amazed at the stark contrast. I have never forgotten it.

84 posted on 04/10/2002 7:20:57 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Tom Jefferson
Here's a tidbit to piggyback on your post. I received it via email and thought it was quite interesting...

Crash Course on the Arab Israeli Conflict Here are overlooked facts in the current Middle East situation. These were compiled by a Christian university professor.

HERE'S THE BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY....
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews.
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation.
The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

89 posted on 04/10/2002 8:07:34 PM PDT by Humidston
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Global outrage of terrorism by the PLO is necessary. Until then, business as usual.
95 posted on 04/11/2002 2:38:30 AM PDT by The Raven
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the so-called Palestinian refugees of the West Bank are barred even from becoming citizens in 21 of the 22 Arab nations. That's why they are "refugees." Because the Arabs want them to be miserable and destitute, and available as cannon fodder for their suicide wars against Israel. In contrast, the 600,000 Jewish refugees who fled or were expelled from Arab countries after the 1948 war have been fully resettled in Israel where they are productive citizens who desperately want peace.


Click the map for more history of the conflict.

In 1945 there were more than 870,000 Jews living in the various Arab states. Many of their communities dated back 2,500 years. Throughout 1947 and 1948 these Jews were persecuted. Their property and belongings were confiscated. There were anti-Jewish riots in Aden, Egypt, Lybia, Syria, and Iraq. In Iraq, Zionism was made a capital crime. Aproximately 600,000 Jews sought refuge in the State of Israel.(1) They arrived destitute, but they were absorbed into the society and became an integral part of the state. In effect, then, a vertible exchange of populations took place between Arab and Jewish refugees. Thus the Jewish refugees became full Israeli citizens while the Arab refugees.

Approximately 720,000 Arabs, encouraged by their leaders to leave, fled from what is now Israel between April and December, 1948.(1) The Arab leaders promised them that they would soon be able to return following Israel's destruction. In some cases the Jews, including Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, urged the Arabs to remain, promising that they would not be harmed.(2) Those who remained became full and equal citizens of Israel, while those who chose to leave went to neighboring Arab states. Instead of welcoming their Arab brothers, and integrating them into the mainstream of their societies, the Arab states kept them in squalid refugee camps and used these Palestinians refugees as political pawns in their fight against Israel.

Which people are from a great culture and which are from a barbaric, evil one?

97 posted on 04/11/2002 2:45:40 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Tom Jefferson

Refresher course bump in light of Arafat's death.


99 posted on 11/11/2004 10:35:00 PM PST by socal_parrot (Four more years!!!)
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To: Tom Jefferson; blakep
Bumping this two answer blakep's question about the exsistence of Isreal...

HOROWITZ: A MIDDLE EAST HISTORY PRIMER

Although he is probably zotted and won't see this.

100 posted on 04/28/2005 2:34:07 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Turn the beat around!)
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