JUDICIAL WATCH UNCOVERS FORMER INS COMMISSIONER'S ORDERS TO DESTROY EVIDENCE...

Judicial Watch ^ | April 9, 2002

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For Immediate Release

Apr 9, 2002

Press Office: 202-646-5172

MEDIA ADVISORY

JUDICIAL WATCH UNCOVERS FORMER INS COMMISSIONER MEISSNER’S ORDERS TO DESTROY EVIDENCE IN DECISION TO RETURN ELIAN GONZALEZ TO CUBA AND SUBSEQUENT, ILLEGAL RAID ON GONZALEZ FAMILY HOME

Press Conference For Release of Documents

Date: April 10, 2002

Time: 8:00 AM

Place: Sheraton Biscayne Bay

495 Brickell Avenue

Parlor 3

Miami, FL

(Washington DC / Miami) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced that tomorrow, April 10, 2002, it will release documents revealing former Immigration and Naturalization Service (“INS”) Commissioner Doris Meissner’s orders to destroy evidence and obstruct justice in the illegal raid that returned Elian Gonzalez to Communist Cuba that resulted in the beating and gassing of dozens of peaceful protestors by INS agents. The documents were produced for the first time today in a trial before the Merit Systems Protection Board (“MSPB”), in Miami, concerning charges of retaliation against INS Special Agent Rick Ramirez, by his supervisors in the Miami District Office of the INS. An INS attorney, Diana Alvarez, produced the documents during sworn testimony in the hearing. Ramirez is an INS whistleblower who initially revealed the INS and Justice Department obstruction of justice and anti-Hispanic prejudice that pervaded the Elian Gonzalez saga.

The documents reveal that the U.S. government had information indicating that Juan Miguel Gonzalez (Elian’s father) had sought to leave Cuba for the United States. They also reveals the U.S. government was aware that Juan Miguel wanted Elian to stay in the U.S. and that the father was being coerced by the Castro regime.

INS attorney Rebeca Sanchez-Roig notes that she was ordered to destroy all documents, but retained a copy of the e-mail because she believed Meissner’s destruction orders to be improper.

Copies of the documents will be made available at the press conference.

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Copyright 1997-2002, Judicial Watch, Inc.

[Sir Gawain]

It's not my fault if some people are vocabulary challenged around here.

That's the first time I've seen vocabulary used as an adverb.

[nopardons]

Okay, that'll teach me to try to anwer two different replies, and meld them. Sorry about the 15 year old son remark ; however, the rest remains. You're still in school, haven't been a member of this site for even 3 months, and yet, you claim to know ALL about Larry Klayman. You don't !

You have accused ME of " group think " and implied GOD knows what else; but you , YOU claim to have all the answers. I take it all back, you aren't a naif, but I shan't tell you just what you are. You aren't worth the banning. LOL

[VRWC_minion]

Did you know who ( yes, I know who you mean ) really say that he's sue you ?

Jack what-his-name got booted when he was a little too thin skinned when someone actually had the nerve to ask him to source his claims about Reno. When he was on the losing end of a debate he would claim he was being slandered or something and threaten suit. After getting booted he threatened via e-mail several Freepers including Jim. He never threatened me directly but just as part of the same group asking for sources.

Jim let him come back when the Elian thing hit and Jack promised he would behave. I was one of the few who warned Freepers they should beware but most were anxious to get the inside scoop.

It wasn't long before he repeated his beahvior the second time. The guy isn't stable.

[VRWC_minion]

I believe that this new information will garner the media attention for this issue that it deserves.

ROFLOL. You sound like us Freepers back before Clinton was impeached.

[nopardons]

Yawn, yawn, yawn ! Are you assuming that FREEPERS didn't . don't know these things, and probably a good deal more than you do, BTW ? Are you trying to enlighten us , dear ? All you're doing is wastig bandwidth, right now.

Still and all, Larry has done zip. Go read the archives. I hope that the threads, with Larry actually posting, are still there. Go open those eyes, of your's; or don't. Your idoletry is misplaced.

[martin_fierro]

Hey, calm down! I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU. Sheesh.

[nopardons]

Yes, I remember all of that ; excluding the law suit threats. Thanks for that info.

[Marine Inspector]

JW did a press blitz on TWA 800 and could not deliver.

I'll wait and see what they deliver before making any comments.

[VRWC_minion]

My memory tells me that the subject of this thread was announced before, but it was back when Elian was being tried before the Appeal court.

My memory also is trying to recall some info on how much Klayman spends on advertising VS. legal.

My own opinion is that Larry probably started out with good intentions and ran out of cash, he probably hooked up with a professional fund raiser and promo people and a business was born. It probably started out as him just looking to continue lawsuit against Clinton but eventually he was seduced by the easy money garnered by the "news-release" to cash cycles that work so well.

[nopardons]

I think that you are correct. Someone shoud do an archive search and post it to this thread. Right now, Larry has flip- flopped again, Remember when he went to the DNC list to raise cash money ? Now, it looks as though he is again trolling for Conservative money. I wonder how much the gullible will send him ; not nearly emough, I bet.

This has become quite a boring thread. Ther's been another HUGE bombing in Israel. I'm off to read important news. : - )

[nopardons]

Oh ... sorry, sorry SORRY !

[silverkor]

I totally agree with what you said in your most recent post. I would also like to say that in all of the years I have been a lurker here I can not believe how childish some of the poster here have become. It is sad very sad IMHO.

[Howlin]

Judicial Watch would not do a press blitz if they couldn't deliver

*Wink, wink* Geez.......let's see who covers this besides Judicial Watch and Larry Klayman.

[Howlin]

I'm just wondering at what precise moment Freepers turned on JW.

I believe for most of us it came when we saw the few financial forms he has filed that are on the internet.

When you are a "law firm" begging for money to "fight the good fight" and you take in over $25,000,000 in donations and you spend less than $2,000,000 on "legal expenses" chances are you're not in it for the law.

[Howlin]

To Larry's Biggest Fans: I thought that you might want to hear about another one of Judicial Watch's accomplishments.

I hope you don't mind if I wait for somebody without such a vested interest in Judicial Watch to come along and say it's an accomplishment.

[nunya bidness]

Legend: An elderly pet owner accidentally kills her animal companion by attempting to dry it in a microwave oven.

Examples:

[Smith, 1983]

I once heard of an elderly lady who usd to breed pedigree cats and exhibit them at shows. She specialised in Persian cats and their long hair always made it a difficult task to clean and groom them for showing. In order to cut down the effort involved the old lady had evolved the practice of first washing the cat, towelling it dry and then, finally, giving it a very brief warming in her electric oven.

One Christmas her cooker developed a fault and so her son, by way of a Christmas present, brought her a brand new microwave oven. On the day of the next cat show, not understanding the basic difference in the technology between an ordinary cooker and a microwave oven, the old lady industriously washed her prize-winning Persian cat and popped it into the oven for a few seconds. There really was no miaow, nor any noise at all from the cat, for the poor creature exploded the instant the oven was switched on.

---

[Healey & Glanvill, 1996]

A rich elderly lady from Harrogate was taking her pet poodle for a walk when they were caught in a downpour. Rushing back inside, fretful for her pampered pet, she was desperate to dry him out and warm him up as soon as possible. So she took him straight into the kitchen, opened the door of her daughter's new microwave cooker for the first time, and thrust him in, moving the dial to a moderate setting. She patted his head and carefully closed the door with a click.

The old lady was still drying her hair when the cooked dog exploded, ripping the door off the microwave.

---

[Collected on the Internet, 1998]

There was some woman who had a dog, which she would put in the oven to dry off after giving him baths. I thought this was stupid enough, but then the woman gets a microwave oven.

While being "dried off" in the microwave, the dog explodes and (obviously) dies. That's stupid enough.

But the woman sued the company which made the microwave for some obscene amount of money -- and won. Because there was no warning label on the microwave oven.

Variations:

• Small dogs (especially poodles) and cats are the usual victims of this clash with technology, but parakeets and turtles have also been sent to the great gig in the sky in some tellings of the legend.

• Almost invariably, the befuddled pet owner is an elderly woman. In the rare non-little old lady versions, the accidental micropooching is said to be the work of a child.

• How the animal got wet varies -- it was either caught out in the rain, or just had its bath.

• Sometimes the animal merely expires in the microwave, but in more gruesome tellings, the critter explodes.

Origins: The legend about the microwaved pet has been with us since 1976, but its antecedents were around long before that. If lore is to be believed, foolhardy old ladies have been attempting to dry wet pets in clothes dryers and conventional ovens long before the invention of the microwave oven.

A 1942 tale in which a roasted cat is discovered in a wood-burning oven has been pointed to as a predecessor to this more modern tale about current domestic technology. In it, however, the cat gets into the oven under its own power; its mistress has no idea it is in there until she later discovered the crisped kitty.

A related Russian legend tells of a mother whose custom was to bathe her child in a tub of warm water. She places the tub (with Junior in it) on top of the unlit wood stove, and goes to speak to a neighbor. The gossip session stretches out longer than anticipated. Upon return to her kitchen, she discovers a draft through the open back door has caused the fire to rekindle under the child and her baby now lies dead in the tub.

These older variations on the same theme cast doubt on the widely-accepted theory that this legend is about fear of new technology.

Other "cooked to death" legends include:

• The Cooked Telephone Man: Worker who stands too close to microwave radiation is cooked by its rays.

• Brown Betty: Bride trying to gain a fast tan prior to her wedding day cooks herself to death in commercial tanning beds.

• The Hippie Babysitter: Stoned babysitter microwaves the baby she's tending, thinking it's a pot roast.

Although there have been a few verifiable cases of pets subjected to microwaving, each of them were deliberate acts of cruelty, perpetrated by twisted souls who knew all too well what they were doing. Micropoochings arising from a lack of understanding of the technology, however, are still incidents of lore only.

Depending upon how this legend is viewed, there are two different interpretations:

If seen as a "fear of new technology" legend, the little old lady of lore becomes a symbol of technological incompetence. Both female and old, she is the stereotypical embodiment of someone who could have little possible interest in how new things work and thus highly at risk of fatally misusing newfangled contraptions. Her misadventure serves as a warning to not place our faith in the new over the time-honored. Convenience be damned; the old ways are safer, says the legend. Stick with what is known.

But there's another possible interpretation, one that fits the older tales about pets dying in conventional ovens and clothes dryers. In the stereotypical world of urban legends, little old ladies are seen as lonely figures unduly attached to their animal companions. By casting an elderly woman in this tale, the loss of a beloved pet is seen as that much more catastrophic. We picture the old woman as having done in the one thing she had left in her life to lavish love on. Under this interpretation, the legend becomes one of that gives voice to our fears of growing old alone.

[PuNcH]

Yawn, yawn, yawn ! Are you assuming that FREEPERS didn't .

Could you please stop pretending to speak for most or is it becoming all Freepers now?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Judicial Watch UNCOVERS...?"

JW uncovered zero! Rick Ramirez blew the whistle loooooong before JW got involved.

They dicovered nothing, they did however file a law suit which was thrown out of Court because Rick Ramirez had not followed proper procedures and exhausted all internal venues to solve the dispute.

You'd think that such a capable and learned legal eagle as Larry, would have known this.

Today's hearing was with the INS.

Larry is taking credit for this brave man's moral stance against his own employer.

[nopardons]

Hehehehehehe hahahahahahaha hehehehehehe

[PuNcH]

The documents reveal that the U.S. government had information indicating that Juan Miguel Gonzalez (Elian’s father) had sought to leave Cuba for the United States. They also reveals the U.S. government was aware that Juan Miguel wanted Elian to stay in the U.S. and that the father was being coerced by the Castro regime.

This destroys completely the lame argument made by those who wanted to send Elian back to Cuba for his father who lives in a communist dictatorship and cannot speak for himself under it. The liberals preferred what Miguel had to say coerced so they kept him that way.