JUDICIAL WATCH UNCOVERS FORMER INS COMMISSIONER'S ORDERS TO DESTROY EVIDENCE...

Judicial Watch ^ | April 9, 2002

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Like I said before, it is much easier to stand on the sidlines and bark, than to actually get out there and do something about the things that are wrong with this world.

You would be foolish to think that court wins equate success, especially when looking at the case of Judicial Watch. Judicial Watch has had some overwhelming odds against them in the past and still continue to. They have had to stand up to the political machine of Bill Clinton, who had endless resources (at taxpayer expense) and people standing up to defend him against his crimes. Now, they have either an incompentent or extremely uncooperative Administration and Justice Department to deal with. It seems that in Washington, the power protect the powerful, no matter what, especially when doing the right thing would affect their chance of being re-elected.

Now going back to the subject of success and Judicial Watch, I respectfully and vehemently disagree with you. I have followed Judicial Watch cases closely since I was in high school. One quick example was when Klayman subpoenaed Clinton fundraiser John Huang in 1996. It was because of Klayman's FOIA suits against the Commerce Department that we found out that the Clinton Administration was selling overseas trade missions to the highest bid for his presidential campaign chest. It was also the publicity that Klayman generated that sparked some tough congressional investigations into the Chinagate Scandal and Lippogate Scandals. In 1996, Klayman also forced fomer Clinton aide Harold Ickes to testify and got Pentagon spokesperson Ken Bacon to admit under oath that he leaked damaging information about Clinton whistleblower Linda Tripp, to the press. Because of Klayman's lawsuits and the revelations/facts that came from them, the government then fined John Huang $8 million in fines for campaign finance violations. John Huang will probably not commit these crony crimes again. Being cynical is always easy, but please, please, look at all the facts before arriving at so harsh a conclusion.

Because of Larry Klayman and Judicial Watch, many Americans are now aware of the horrible behavior of Bill Clinton and his political cronies. With valiant people such as the ones working at Judicial Watch around, American government is pressured to be a more honest place.

[BeAChooser]

YES or NO? Did Klayman uncovered many serious CRIMINAL violations in Filegate, Chinagate, Emailgate, etc?

If so, could/can Klayman do anything about CRIMINAL violations?

If not, then who now has responsibility for investigating and prosecuting criminal matters of the sort uncovered?

If the answer is Ashcroft, then provide us with ANY indication that he is investigating?

If you can't, then are you critical of Ashcroft ... and Bush, his boss, for ignoring these serious crimes?

If not, then why not?

[Republic]

What I great reply. I volunteered in Larry's offices when we lived in Maryland. It was one of the best work experiences of my life. What you have posted is so true, and for those who balance the worth of Larry by the wins (or lack thereof), well, all I can say is they cannot see the forest for the trees.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Thank-you for your reply. I have great respect for Judicial Watch and it is always nice to hear comments such as yours. Have a nice night. :)

[goldilucky]

Yes, it may take some time but patience and perseverance is the key to their success.

[goldilucky]

How could you put Klayman is the same class as Jesse Jackson? First, Jackson is known for his illegal shakedown's of corporations for the sake of playing the race card. What has he done positive for his own people except bring them down spiritually.

Secondly, I don't see that taking place with Klayman. Klayman is doing the people's work by educating them in spirit of God. I don't recognize that energy coming from Jackson.

[harpu]

Hey BOZO...

As I said way back in #19 "You might want to mark this quote for future reference because you will probably learn the 'rest of the story' about JW sooner than later - newbie."

And you responded in #27 "I have done my homework regarding Judicial Watch and its founder, Larry Klayman. The more I learn, the more I like this organization and its figurehead. :) As for the newbie comment, I am not a little kid."

REALLY, NOW...after 286 posts, are you still up to keeping Larry "the KLAYCONMAN" up on that pedestal!?!

If so - more power to you, and may you continue to blessed with your devine ignorance - NEWBIE!

[archy]

From Alamo-Girl's *Downside Legacy* bodycount research:

Charlene Edwards

Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel 6/27/00 "……Police are investigating the apparent suicide of an U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service agent's, whose body was found on the Don Shula Expressway around 4:17 this morning. Miami-Dade County Police spokesman Ed Munn says the white female who was in her 50's had a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He says it appears to be a suicide. Munn said the woman was not the INS official who participated in the Elian Gonzalez raid. The body was discovered on the expressway by a passer-by. It was located under an overpass that carries Florida's Turnpike overhead, said Munn. ……"

6/28/00 "……. A supervisor of immigration inspectors at Miami International Airport was found dead -- a suicide, police said -- early Tuesday in her car, which was parked beside the Don Shula expressway…….. Charlene Edwards, 52, shot herself, said county police spokesman Rudy Espinosa. She had a .40-caliber semi-automatic pistol and wore the uniform of the Immigration and Naturalization Service. A passing driver made the discovery about 4:15 a.m. after noticing her 1992 Toyota parked under the Florida Turnpike overpass. Edwards lived about six miles south of there, in Goulds…….INS spokeswoman Maria Elena Garcia said Edwards started with INS as a clerk more than 15 years ago and worked her way up the ranks. She was one of 25 supervisory inspectors at the airport……"

Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel 6/27/00 "…….MIAMI -- Police are investigating the apparent suicide of an U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service agent's, whose body was found on the Don Shula Expressway around 4:17 this morning. Miami-Dade County Police spokesman Ed Munn says the white female who was in her 50's had a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He says it appears to be a suicide. Munn said the woman was not the INS official who participated in the Elian Gonzalez raid. ……."

Further deponent sayeth not.

-archy-/-

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Larry Klayman and the staff of Judicial Watch deserve to be on some sort of pedastal. They are some of the only people around investigating and doing SOMETHING about the crimes of Bill Clinton, Chinagate, the unethical actions of the Bush Administration, the violated civil rights of Cuban-Americans down in Miami, defending Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, etc.

When Linda Tripp and Notra Trulock needed help, Larry Klayman and Judicial Watch were there to help them out when no one else would. Judicial Watch's actions are solid examples of true conservativsm. I wish that more people would get the clue.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Interesting. Could you perhaps tell me more about this?

[archy]

She's dead, Jim...

*more here*

[timestax]

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[UCANSEE2]

So, are you arguing with his success on LAWSUITS or his success (and the JW staff) at uncovering this piece of evidence that could lead to a successful lawsuit and maybe criminal charges being filed?

[UCANSEE2]

Ignorance is when someone should know better, but chooses not to learn.

The word is DIVINE not DEVINE.

Famous saying: People who live in glass houses should not throw bricks.

[UCANSEE2]

Hey, don't let Harpu or anyone else convince you to believe anything but what you know for yourself.

There is a difference between being inquisitive and being close-minded. It's just that the close-minded insist they as so smart because they have chosen to be ignorant.

[UCANSEE2]

CORRECTION:
It's just that the close-minded insist they are so smart because they have chosen to be ignorant.

[timestax]

bttt

[Mr_Peter]

"Secondly, I don't see that taking place with Klayman. Klayman is doing the people's work by educating them in spirit of God. I don't recognize that energy coming from Jackson.

OK Goldylocks. Where you from...California? Klayman is "doing the people's work"! Klayman is educating us in the spirit of God? Bull!!!
If you think Klaymans suit of the week has done anything more than make his bank account bulge, then you've been to one too many EST meetings.

I said that Jacksons results were negative. Klayman has no results. Nothing. Zippo. He's an egotistical, rich, zero personality, boring man who is ignored by virtually everyone.

[goldilucky]

I said that Jacksons results were negative. Klayman has no results. Nothing. Zippo. He's an egotistical, rich, zero personality, boring man who is ignored by virtually everyone.

Well he certainly is not ignored by person's like myself. And as for him being "egotistical, rich, zero, personality, boring man........" Well....... so are the Clintons....both whom are a bunch of egotistical, rich, lying pieces of dungheap, commie white trash, that American citizens should never trust let alone shake hands with! And if they do, they should go wash their hands immediately!! There's blood on the Clinton's hands as well as the political feces they want to shove down our throats.

[goldilucky]

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