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To: JohnHuang2
Yeah, well, all the brainless heads are showing up.

If you read the Koran, you will find sections that threaten your family with a blood curdling raid tonight.

Other parts say that any ANY killing of innocents is absolutely not tolerated by Allah.

Both the KJV Bible and the Koran are translations of ancient languages, and both can be used to support all extremes. If, and that's a big IF, you have an open mind you'll find chunks of the King James Bible that contradict: as in eye for an eye, turn the other cheek. Anyone here convinced that Lot's wife did indeed turn into a pillar of salt. Really? Or that Lot's daughters, despondent on their old maidness, seduced and boned their father?

Yes, if you search you can find a part of the Koran that supports just about any human activity. If one were to take the time, you could juxtapose the KJV and the Koran quotes and stupify store front preachers of either the Christian facade, or the Islam facade.

But if you are intent on using your can of spray paint, you can spout off.

Amy

7 posted on 04/09/2002 12:19:13 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: AzJP
Dear Amy,

Your post #7 was a rather ridiculous statement for the most part. Muslims believe the Koran and it is not a "facade" to them. Christians believe the Bible and it is not a "facade" to us.

Speaking plainly and frankly Amy, you really should read the Bible AND understand it before attempting to compare it to the Koran.

A BIBLE RESOURCE LINK

8 posted on 04/09/2002 12:29:18 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: AzJP
The Koran is not a "translation of ancient languages" -- it is an original composition of Mohammed as recorded by his scribes in the original Arabic. Muslims study it in Arabic; the English version is only a reference work. I am not a scholar of the book by any means, but it does appear to be more single mindedly focused upon kill, kill, kill than just about any other religious text.
11 posted on 04/09/2002 1:21:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: AzJP
Both the KJV Bible and the Koran are translations of ancient languages, and both can be used to support all extremes. If, and that's a big IF, you have an open mind you'll find chunks of the King James Bible that contradict: as in eye for an eye, turn the other cheek. Anyone here convinced that Lot's wife did indeed turn into a pillar of salt. Really? Or that Lot's daughters, despondent on their old maidness, seduced and boned their father?

YOu have problems with reading comprehension. Find me where an eye for an eye is commanded in the Bible, then I'll speak to you about it. I know where it is, but I want to see if you do, actually. Most people who claim to see contradictions dont even know where they are.

Next, Show me anywhere Lot's daughter's actions were considered good? At what point did God ever say what Lot's daughters did was a good thing?

You need to learn how to read. Start with the Bible. This time, try to understand it. It will change your life. Believe it, and you will get saved.

13 posted on 04/09/2002 3:07:13 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: AzJP;JohnHuang2;GeronL;dennisw;zion_ist;The Sword;Sabramerican;xm177e2;lent;zion_ist;angelo...
"If one were to take the time, you could juxtapose the KJV and the Koran.."

Be my guest:

"Angels stop asking Allah to forgive people when they pass wind.

Allah's Apostle said, "The angels keep on asking Allah's forgiveness for anyone of you, as long as he is at his Mu,salla (praying place) and he does not pass wind (Hadath). They say, 'O Allah! Forgive him, O Allah! be Merciful to him." - Volume 1, Book 8, Number 436: Narrated Abu Huraira

When he enters the mosque he is considered in prayer as long as he is waiting for the prayer and the angels keep on asking for Allah's forgiveness for him and they keep on saying: 'O Allah! Be Merciful to him, O Allah! Forgive him, as long as he keeps on sitting at his praying place and does not pass wind. (See Hadith No. 620). - Volume 1, Book 8, Number 466: Narrated Abu Huraira

A man slept through prayer time and the devil peed in his ear.

It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, "He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated." Volume 4, Book 54, Number 492: Narrated 'Abdullah:

A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears." Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245: Narrated 'Abdullah.

Satan puts three knots in the back of the head of people who sleep.

Allah's Apostle said, "Satan puts three knots at the back of the head of any of you if he is asleep. On every knot he reads and exhales the following words, 'The night is long, so stay asleep.' When one wakes up and remembers Allah, one knot is undone; and when one performs ablution, the second knot is undone, and when one prays the third knot is undone and one gets up energetic with a good heart in the morning; otherwise one gets up lazy and with a mischievous heart." Volume 2, Book 21, Number 243: Narrated Abu Huraira

Muhammad said that yawning is from Satan.

The Prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him." Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509: Narrated Abu Huraira

Muhammad said that yawning is from Satan and that Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning

The Prophet said, "Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning, so if someone sneezes and then praises Allah, then it is obligatory on every Muslim who heard him, to say: May Allah be merciful to you (Yar-hamuka-l-lah). But as regards yawning, it is from Satan, so one must try one's best to stop it, if one says 'Ha' when yawning, Satan will laugh at him." Volume 8, Book 73, Number 242: Narrated Abu Huraira: See also Volume 8, Book 73, Number 245:, Narrated Abu Huraira.

Muhammad said that Satan stayed in the upper part of a nose all night

The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night." Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516: Narrated Abu Huraira.

Muhammad said Satan passes wind and runs so he may not hear the Adhan (call to prayer)

Allah's Apostle said, "When the Adhan for the prayer is pronounced, then Satan takes to his heels passing wind so that he may not hear the Adhan and when the Muadh-dhin finishes, he comes back; Volume 2, Book 22, Number 313: Narrated Abu Huraira.

Allah's Apostle said, "When the call for prayer is made, Satan takes to his heels passing wind so that he may not hear the Adhan and when the call is finished he comes back, and when the Iqama is pronounced, Satan again takes to his heels, Volume 2, Book 22, Number 323, Narrated Abu Huraira

Prayer offered in a congregation is 25 times better than prayer offered alone and each step towards a mosque results in forgiveness of a sin

The Prophet said, "The prayer offered in congregation is twenty five times more superior (in reward) to the prayer offered alone in one's house or in a business center, because if one performs ablution and does it perfectly, and then proceeds to the mosque with the sole intention of praying, then for each step which he takes towards the mosque, Allah upgrades him a degree in reward and (forgives) crosses out one sin till he enters the mosque. When he enters the mosque he is considered in prayer as long as he is waiting for the prayer and the angels keep on asking for Allah's forgiveness for him and they keep on saying: 'O Allah! Be Merciful to him, O Allah! Forgive him, as long as he keeps on sitting at his praying place and does not pass wind." (See Hadith No. 620). Volume 1, Book 8, Number 466, Narrated Abu Huraira

The preceding Hadith are translated by Sahih Bukhari and are quoted from an online source found

Most Muslims around the world recognize these (most famous and universally accepted among the six collections of Hadith - those of Sahih Al-Bukhari -d. 870), as bona fide teachings of Muhammad.

The Hadith

The Hadith, in Islam, is second in authority only to the Qur'an. The Hadith is a record of the prophet Mohammed's life, actions, and deeds. A saying in the Hadith is called a sunnah. These sunnah were transmitted by word of mouth down through the centuries having been memorized first by Muhammad's companions and then later by subsequent Muslims. Therefore, the Hadith is the written record of the oral traditions passed down from the Muslim to Muslim of what Mohammed was supposed to have said and done.

The Qur'an is considered to be the absolute and infallible word of Allah. The Hadith, however, though the words of the inspired prophet Muhammad, are not necessarily infallible. The oldest collection to date dates from the 9th century.

The Hadith fall into two categories, "Hadith qudsi (sacred Hadith) in which God Himself is speaking in, as it were, a complementary revelation through the Prophet, and hadith sharif (noble Hadith), the Prophet's own acts and utterances." *1.

The most famous and universally accepted among the six collections of Hadith are those of Sahih Al-Bukhari (d. 870)

The Hadith are important because they elucidate many areas not covered by or were not very clear in the Qur'an. The Hadith is appealed to in legal decisions and consulted in debate among many Muslims.

*1. Glasse, Cyril, The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc. San Francisco, 1989, page 141.

18 posted on 04/09/2002 8:57:53 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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