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The Real History of the Crusades
Crisis Magazine ^
| 4/1/2002
| Thomas Madden
Posted on 04/07/2002 7:35:39 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: traditionalist
121
posted on
08/07/2006 4:05:04 PM PDT
by
Luigi Vasellini
(What do you call 2 toddlers and some duct tape??........muslim body armor!!!!!!!)
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posted on
08/07/2006 4:28:22 PM PDT
by
indcons
(The MilHist ping list is back in operation :))
To: traditionalist
They should have allied with Hulegu, and they would have swept the board clean in 1260.
123
posted on
08/07/2006 4:38:30 PM PDT
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: SunkenCiv
This guy is right on the mark.
Its a great read and perfectly explains the Crusades.
I read a book recently on the Crusades which has a different take, however, on why the Crusading spirit died out. It makes sense, in addition to the author's point that the Christian west was too busy killing each other over minor issues of Christian theology to successfully continue an armed struggle with a common enemy.
The author of this book said that the Crusading purpose was attenuated with respect to its original lofty goals by subverting Crusading movements into attacks on non-Mulsims - for instance, the Albigensian "Crusade" directed at non-mainstream Christians, the Teutonic Knights carrying out a mission against the pagans of the Baltic Region, the hijacking of a Crusade (the 4th?) into an attack on Zara, a Christian city, and later Constantinople itself, another Christian city. Furthermore, the Crusades lost the important support of the Italian mercantile states of Genoa nd Venice which provided substantial naval and military support to crusading armies when they discovered they could make more money by trading with Muslims than killing them.
All of the latter carries with it an important message for the present. Christians and all non-Muslims had better wake up and stop arguing among each other over matters of theology. Believe what you want and extend that privilege to others. Unless we all unite against the Muslim menace, they will conquer us all piecemeal.
We must STOP trading with the Arab states for energy. Petrodollars provide the wealth which funds the latest series of Jihadist attacks against us. Without our money the Muslims would be powerless. The Venetians and Genies made a fortune selling Turkic and Circassian slaves to the Muslims. These same slaves were turned into the Mameluke army which later drove all the Christians from the Levant or enslaved them.
He also pointed out
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posted on
08/09/2006 7:26:02 AM PDT
by
ZULU
(Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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08/05/2008 10:34:32 PM PDT
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129
posted on
06/05/2009 11:45:51 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: traditionalist
130
posted on
06/05/2009 11:50:11 AM PDT
by
Ann Archy
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To: traditionalist
To: SunkenCiv
Thanks for the ping. It would be nice to bring this issue back to the historical facts.
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posted on
06/05/2009 12:07:02 PM PDT
by
colorado tanker
("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
To: SunkenCiv
The Crusaders - in Greek the Carriers of the Holy Cross — are indeed the heroes of the Christian Age and deserve our respect and our rededication today.
Thanks for bringing back this topic for discussion.
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posted on
06/05/2009 12:54:40 PM PDT
by
eleni121
(The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
To: traditionalist
Thanks for this. Interesting article. I”ll have to read it to my wife as she’s a history major/buff. :)
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posted on
06/05/2009 1:01:33 PM PDT
by
Crolis
(Kill your television!)
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Great article and a Sobieski BTTT.
For sheer manliness and Western triumph, read about the Siege of Malta. Amazing piece of history that is overlooked.
135
posted on
06/05/2009 3:02:04 PM PDT
by
MattinNJ
(Sanford/Palin in 2012)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Good read and about what I remember from history books dealing with the Crusades. Islam then as now is a pestilence cleverly disguise as a religion. It behooves me how the term religion of peace ever came about. So many misguided people on this planet.
136
posted on
06/05/2009 4:27:52 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Obama should have taken up an acting career. Made more money doing what he does best.)
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“She’s already called for a modern crusade and she’s had a-lot of experience breaking this kind of taboo in defending Joe McCarthy!”
Yeah, I’ve been trying to find that great argument she made. Where was that, anyway? Was that one of her books?
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posted on
06/05/2009 5:17:10 PM PDT
by
dsc
(A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument.)
To: SunkenCiv
138
posted on
06/05/2009 10:47:45 PM PDT
by
Bellflower
(The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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139
posted on
06/06/2009 9:13:35 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: colorado tanker
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posted on
06/06/2009 9:19:37 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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