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Bush baits a trap for Arafat
Ottawa Citizen via National Post ^ | April 6, 2002 | David Warren

Posted on 04/06/2002 6:06:44 AM PST by Clive

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To: collin
I totally disagree. We are constantly hearing that we spend more on our armed forces than the combined next 10 in the world. If Israel can take on Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt at almost the same time certainly we can take on Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the Gulf States, Yemen, Oman and North Africa at almost the same time. Nuclear weapons would not be needed.
41 posted on 04/06/2002 7:54:39 AM PST by johndpringle
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To: collin
If the Arabs attack Israel they will get their Allah loving a$$es trounced. They know it and we know it. If they stop selling the US oil, their children will starve and our gasoline prices may go up 25 cents or so. So as far as I see they can bring it on and we'll give em a little something for they MOM.
42 posted on 04/06/2002 8:02:54 AM PST by Islam is a religion of piece
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To: Elkiejg
Big bump for you! The media has made my blood pressure boil! Terry Moron from ABC news said something like, Pres. Bush who has not had much interest until now is jumping in with both feet. Just typing that makes me want to scream.

And then there's this turd, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Prez Jimmah's Natl. Sec. Advisor who's been spewing all over cnn how President Bush's policy is incoherent.

Where do these cretins get the nerve? I can picture Zbiggie in front of his mirror in the morning saying,
"I AM NOT IRRELEVANT, I AM NOT IRRELEVANT, I AM NOT IRRELEVANT!

43 posted on 04/06/2002 8:03:40 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: Elkiejg
You can get on Krauthammer's ping list here. Just ping Pokey78 or send a freepmail to him and ask him to add you to the Krauthammer ping list. That way, whenever Krauthammer's new column comes out, you'll get pinged and will be able to read the column right away.
44 posted on 04/06/2002 8:05:20 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Clive
Awesome find!

After the speach, which I watched live, I could not believe that the pundits saw the same one I did. I will keep an eye out for more by David Warren, he gets it.


45 posted on 04/06/2002 8:14:22 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: swampfox98
The reality is that Europeans are increasingly afraid of their Muslim immigrants.

How true and aren't we all?

Are the gas/petrol stations in Europe run by the Muslims, like they are in my area?

Imagine all the Muslim-run gas stations being blown up by their managers at a synchronized time.

46 posted on 04/06/2002 8:22:22 AM PST by syriacus
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To: swampfox98
Our arab immigrants are less numerous and many are christians so the problem in europe is deeper and more immediate. In addition, of course the famous european lack of spine doesn't help. Our immigrant problems are yet to explode. When the chicanos stop fighting each other and are energized by the victimology of La Raza and MeCHA look out! We are going to have the biggest "intifada" in history. I don't believe the Southwest will have to secede rather, it will be spun-off like the Ukraine or Zimbabwe. The children of people who haven't dried off yet are telling Americans of european descent to go home or leave if they don't like the corrupt hispanic political system. Once the chicanos figure out who they are (hispanic, native indian, mixed, aggrieved americans or whatever?) it will be much easier for the their activists and "ours" to send them at us.
47 posted on 04/06/2002 8:23:27 AM PST by Righty1
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To: BigWaveBetty
A person who posts on bulletin boards. You for instance and me.
48 posted on 04/06/2002 8:29:34 AM PST by Khepera
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To: collin
Nope. They need our money worse than we need their oil. Simple as that. There ARE other sources of oil than Arabs, too, including Venezuela, Mexico, North Sea, Siberia. But let 'em try. They could give us the last incentive we need to become energy independent once and for all.
49 posted on 04/06/2002 9:19:43 AM PST by LS
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To: Clive
'What do you make of Bush's speech? Cave-in? Or prelude to something bigger?"

Sorry, but I'm not comfortable having to probe my President's words for hidden meanings. Not long ago we had a President, a few years before the cloud of Clinton, who said what he meant and meant what he said. I long for those days.

ML/NJ

50 posted on 04/06/2002 9:22:34 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: jwfiv
Many of the comments on this thread (except those dealing with "blooger :) ") are right on.

If you haven't done so, I urge everyone to read the 3-5 page section in Paul Johnson's book, "Modern Times," about France in Algeria. This is exactly the strategy the Algerian terrorists used against France---alienate the "moderates" and force people to choose sides. There is no faction in Palestine that wants "peace" in terms of any negotiated settlement. The purpose of the bombings is to MAKE Israel retaliate, then hope that the retaliation cuts Isreal off from Europe and, especially, the U.S. So far, it has done the opposite, if only slowly.

51 posted on 04/06/2002 9:22:58 AM PST by LS
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To: Titus Fikus
I totally disagree. The Arabs, it has been shown after 9/11, respect nothing but power and force. They will never love Israel, but they will respect her like a cobra or a bengal tiger after this.
52 posted on 04/06/2002 9:24:08 AM PST by LS
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To: collin
>> If we see a massive and united Arab offensive, we can't stop it short of nuclear retaliation<<

This is a joke, right?

Please post any data that suggests the result of a "massive" Arab offensive would be any different than the massive Arab offensives in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973.

They are cowards and terrible fighters. Killing little old ladies at seder is about their maximum offensive capability.

Please, now, tell us it was a joke?

54 posted on 04/06/2002 10:15:07 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Revelation 911
Blogs... is short for the term "weblogs" which are "short nippets of content, articles and communiques arranged in reverse chronological order..." computer bits magazine feb 2002.

Freerepublic, DU, Yahoo chatlogs... all are classified as weblogs... conversations and information that are collected and stored on web servers in such a way as they can be read, by members or publicly... the term for these has been (by slang creationists) reduced to "blogs" by webmasters... and the folks who attend, contribute, read faithfully and post responses to and from the web logs are termed "bloggers" short for "web loggers".

YOU and I are bloggers. This place is a blogsite.

55 posted on 04/06/2002 10:21:26 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: ml/nj
Yessiree. We had a man then, that much to the chagrin of the appeasers around the world most notably in Europe, who called a spade a spade and the U.S.S.R. the "Evil Empire". With that clarity and action following the statement the U.S.S.R. buckled and broke, the Berlin Wall came down, and a major Communist player on the world stage ceased to exist.

We are at war with "evil doers" ... but then again that depends on who is the do-eee.

56 posted on 04/06/2002 10:28:59 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: collin
The Arab world will not let Arafat be humiliated

Ridiculous... arafat has NOT been humiliated... he humiliates HIMSELF. Israel pointing out he is a liar, killer and brutal oppressor of his own people... may SEEM like they are rubbing our faces in it... but ONLY IN a nutty arab nation, could telling the truth be considered a "Humiliation".

There is far more power in just one aircraft carrier, than there is in the entire ARAB STREET put together. Our firepower, should we choose to go "all the way" is absolutely irresistable. Period.

Should we choose to to, there would be NO ARAB STREET, per se, fifteen minutes from now. NONE.

Yes the outcry would be mournful, NO the land would NOT be useable for a long time, and YES we would be wrong to go that far... the issue is WE COULD, WE CAN and if it comes down to us facing another 9-11 or killing them all, along with the innocents, like we did in our war with Japan... don't think for ONE second we would NOT do whatever it takes. WE will take any action, go anywhere and pay ANY PRICE to see that freedom will be upheld.

The "doubt" that arabs have regarding our willingness or capacity to do whatever it takes, and wipe them out, will be their undoing. They fail to realize that between where we are in our war effort and total annihilation, are hundreds of steps, degrees, and levels of EFFECTIVE and VERY SAFE methods we have of wiping out their ability to defend themselves at all, even against an army of depends-wearing, little old blue-haired ladies.

Ultimately EVERY city of the ARAB world is nothing to our military commanders, in an all out war, than a set of geo coordinates on a map. Push a button... 900 thousand cease to exist. Push another button, THREE specific people are taken, while the ones right next to them, are left... more or less.

We don't because of our CHRISTIAN morality of as a nation, demands that we protect life as much as we can whilst defending our selves and our allies. Arabs who count on this as a weakness to be exploited, in the face of their increased levels of terrorist activity, are in the process of humiliating themselves. WE WILL DESTROY THE THEM. Period.

Easy or hard, nice or not nice... or anything in between, they will be hunted down, smoked out, and destroyed, utterly. We will do it in our own way, and consistent with our own convenience. Israel has helped us immensely by taking out much of the threat internally, so as not to impede our killing of the hydra in Iraq and OTHER PLACES not yet known to be "on the list".

Iraq may just be, the new autonomous palestinian nation, or not. Don't be afraid of the arabs. They are only as much of a problem as our logistics situations allow them to be, on a case by case basis. Obstacles will be overcome. WE will assert ourselves. They will humiliate themselves. It is the nature of inferior cultures to do stupid things. Arabic culture is stupid. Only Turkey so far has seen this and repressed it islamic hordes... and brought some level of hope to its people. Other islamic/arab nations will have to follow the wise choices of the turks, if they are to enjoy existence in the next millenia.

57 posted on 04/06/2002 10:42:31 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: LS
You are right about the issue of power and respect.
Writers like Daniel Pipes have been warning that each move presented towards Islam is countered.
Like chess...pawns go first..eventually..multi-dimensional peices are wagered.
Here's our problem today.
Islam has tried the frontal massed military thing against Israel..it failed 4 times.
Financial boycott...this too fails..as Gulf states need buyers...this strategem only brings devasting reprocussions.
We are in the terror/extortion phase...but the proxy ability is containable..ie Palestinians and Radicalls out of Lebanon,Hizbullah etc.

So what is left for them to use?
Answer...Missiles.

Syria has calculated that she cannot defeat the IDF via the mechanized route or via Airpower.
For 2 decades plus Syria has divereted her spending to missile programs..and protected launch facilities.
Russia,China,North Korea and Iran have been busy like bee's in Syria.

Lessons were learned during the Gulf war...in most cases Saddams underground facilities were easily accessible to U.S. munitions..but there were some foreign built structures..very deep..and with layered..concrete/dirt /concrete sub levels.
The U.S. munitions at that time where stretched to fully penetrate and destroy..in some cases..they did'nt.
This model..now finds its reproduction in Syria.
Syria now hosts a multitude of deep layered facilties for the building..storage and launch of their missiles.
Warhead yeilds are not of great value..but the strategy is Russian/Chinese...numbers.
The U.S. and Israel have been working closely on this facility issue..several achievements have occured in the form of deep penetrating nuclear ordinance.

The Syrian strategy hypothesized is to hit Israel with a combination of Bio chem weapons...and runway busting missiles, and of course Israels Nuclear sites.
Removing Israels ability to stage the IAF in the first minutes is critical doctrine to them.

Syrias vulnerability comes via chain of command..and inability to ramp up things without the Intel knowing it.
Intel being America and Israel.
Flanked by the Mediterranean..they are vulnerable.

Critical doctrine reveals that Israel will infact pre-empt them..she has too.
Syria's sites are all known..satillite has them mapped.
Israel has several options..they would be multi-layered to gaurantee success.
Israel would most likely drop squads with demolition expertise to close the openings to these facilites...these troops would litterly be sacrificed as they might not be able to be extridited.
Air drop deep penetrating nukes for facilites the IDF feels thay cannot get near to via the ground would occur.
In the same window of time..following on after the first wave engages would come multi-phasing EMP to shatter Syrias com /grid.
Satillite passes would reveal what is operational and what isn't.
After the EMP had dispersed..Israels Airforce could mop up what remains.

Israel will have to catch them off guard..and nail the most critical sites in the first hour...nuetronic ordinance will be used aswell.
The missile command and com link are Israels first targets..air facilites and ground to air sites would only factor in if they jeopordized the assult.
This has to be pulled off within 1 hour..or it will not work.
Unless has secretly converted to aircraft such as the Harrier her Air assets are vulnerable..and this is Her greatest tactical asset.
Back to Islam:
Eventually..Syria will be manipulted to Engage Israel with her missile command.
To Islam..it is an asset..it must be used.
Russia..China..Iran..will all be pulling strings to bring this about.
The Palestinians..Hizbullah..they are the earlier chess peices moved...expendable.
Islam allready possess nuclear warheads..afew..more will be given them as the confidence levels grow.

On final:
Prophetic scripture reveals a consistant theme..litterly names the cites and areas where Syrias missiles and command centres are...the message..they are destroyed in one hour!
This is the next threshold the mid-east will cross..it is certain to happen.

58 posted on 04/06/2002 10:45:43 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: jimmyBEEgood
A very large individual tossing buggers instead of mere boogers.
59 posted on 04/06/2002 10:50:01 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Helms
I like the feel of all this obscured momentum...

That is confusing as hell... can I quote you... < / verywidegrin >

It is somewhat like being hit by a 300 car freight train, which was convincingly disquised as a fifth avenue, hooker.

The arab street is foaming at the mouth. europe is pissing itself... the israelis are counting cou and collecting a few scalps. the suicide nail bombers have been SEVERELY halted. Most of the "volunteer" palestinian nail salesman are dead or in jail. Tony and Bush are putting the finesse on the move into the NEXT theatre of action. Iran. or is it Iraq... kinda of a kool week.

60 posted on 04/06/2002 10:55:52 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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