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To: Eagle74
I disagree, this was a blunder. Weakening our terrorist policy will gain us no respect.

Our war is against terrorists with global reach. Palestinian terrorists do not have global reach. Their activities are confined almost entirely to Israel, with some activity in Lebanon.

And gaining Arab support to place another democracy in the middle-east, when they can't tolerate the one there now(Israel), is hopeless.

Egypt and Jordan both have friendly relations with Israel. Jordan and Israel even have a mutual defense treaty. Israel's relations with the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia are cordial at worst. This notion that all Arab states can't tolerate Israel is simply false. The only ones hostile to Israel are Syria, Iraq, and Libya.

The only reason we had their support in the Gulf war, was because we were replacing an authoritarian regime. Had we wanted to completely defeat and install a democracy, only Kuwait would have supported us.

Are you seriously suggesting that the form of government was the reason they did not want us to overthrow Saddam?

The only way to end the middle-east conflict is to break the will to fight of the authoritarian establishment. Which means overthrowing every monarch, dictator, and theocracy in the arab world.

So you want a war with every single Arab country. And I thought John McCain was nuts.

Also, where do you get this naive notion that democracy can work in every society? Or that a democratic regime will automatically be pro-US?

61 posted on 04/05/2002 9:17:20 PM PST by traditionalist
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To: traditionalist
Egypt and Jordan both have friendly relations with Israel. Jordan and Israel even have a mutual defense treaty. Israel's relations with the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia are cordial at worst. This notion that all Arab states can't tolerate Israel is simply false. The only ones hostile to Israel are Syria, Iraq, and Libya.

You are so wrong. Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel to get back the sinai, which they could get back no other way. They stay semi non-beligerent because of the $2 billion dollars a year the US pays them to be nice. Jordan is a special situation, the internal threat of a palistinian take over of Jordan, means the king can't afford an external threat, and has had to walk a tight rope. You mention Syria, Iraq, and Libya as hostile to Israel but fail to mention Iran. And if Saudi Arabia is so cordial how come it has never recognized Israel's right to exsist, that was what the crown prince offered for an Israeli withdraw at the arab summit.

62 posted on 04/06/2002 4:50:20 AM PST by Eagle74
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To: traditionalist
Our war is against terrorists with global reach. Palestinian terrorists do not have global reach. Their activities are confined almost entirely to Israel, with some activity in Lebanon.

Where have you been? Attacks at the Olympics(munich), on cruise ships, airplane highjackings all over the world(entebi). And while we have enough problems with those terrorists who want to murder us, Israel still deserves our support as she faces the same problem.

Are you seriously suggesting that the form of government was the reason they did not want us to overthrow Saddam?

Of course. The authoritarian establishment wants to stay in power. If their people get a taste of the freedoms, and the economic benefits that democracy offers, their time in power is over and they know it.

So you want a war with every single Arab country. And I thought John McCain was nuts.

I don't want a war with every single arab country. I want to install a democracy in Iraq, and promote internal revolutions in the rest. Besides their at war with us already, they use deniable agents like al Qeada, but it's their money.

Also, where do you get this naive notion that democracy can work in every society? Or that a democratic regime will automatically be pro-US?

Democracy can work in every society. What makes you think it can't? The multiculturalists would have us believe that authoritarian government is cultural, like a peoples dress, cuisine, or music but it's not. The authoritarians absolutely want everyone to think their culture can't exsist without them. So who's being naive? I don't think I ever said democratic countries were automatically pro-US. I just think that the people of a democratic country will consider the interests of the people. Unlike authoritarian countries where the only interests considered are of those in power(how can we steal more money? how can we stay in power? etc...).

63 posted on 04/06/2002 5:48:06 AM PST by Eagle74
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