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To: traditionalist
Our war is against terrorists with global reach. Palestinian terrorists do not have global reach. Their activities are confined almost entirely to Israel, with some activity in Lebanon.

Where have you been? Attacks at the Olympics(munich), on cruise ships, airplane highjackings all over the world(entebi). And while we have enough problems with those terrorists who want to murder us, Israel still deserves our support as she faces the same problem.

Are you seriously suggesting that the form of government was the reason they did not want us to overthrow Saddam?

Of course. The authoritarian establishment wants to stay in power. If their people get a taste of the freedoms, and the economic benefits that democracy offers, their time in power is over and they know it.

So you want a war with every single Arab country. And I thought John McCain was nuts.

I don't want a war with every single arab country. I want to install a democracy in Iraq, and promote internal revolutions in the rest. Besides their at war with us already, they use deniable agents like al Qeada, but it's their money.

Also, where do you get this naive notion that democracy can work in every society? Or that a democratic regime will automatically be pro-US?

Democracy can work in every society. What makes you think it can't? The multiculturalists would have us believe that authoritarian government is cultural, like a peoples dress, cuisine, or music but it's not. The authoritarians absolutely want everyone to think their culture can't exsist without them. So who's being naive? I don't think I ever said democratic countries were automatically pro-US. I just think that the people of a democratic country will consider the interests of the people. Unlike authoritarian countries where the only interests considered are of those in power(how can we steal more money? how can we stay in power? etc...).

63 posted on 04/06/2002 5:48:06 AM PST by Eagle74
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To: Eagle74
Where have you been? Attacks at the Olympics(munich), on cruise ships, airplane highjackings all over the world(entebi).

Ancient history. All the terrorist attacks against US targets within the last 20 years have been by non-Palestinian terrorists: Libyans, Iranians, Al-Qaeda, etc. Hamas has never attacked us, neither has Islamic Jihad, neither has Arafat's groop. Hizbolla attacked our Marine base in Lebanon, but that was because we were sticking our noses where they don't belong.

And while we have enough problems with those terrorists who want to murder us, Israel still deserves our support as she faces the same problem.

Why should Israel deserve our support if that support hurts us?

Of course. The authoritarian establishment wants to stay in power. If their people get a taste of the freedoms, and the economic benefits that democracy offers, their time in power is over and they know it.

The authoritarian establishment. Yes, the great authoritarian conspiracy. Tell me, why is Pakistan, which has an authoritarian regime, supporting our efforts in Afganistan?

I don't want a war with every single arab country. I want to install a democracy in Iraq, and promote internal revolutions in the rest.

What makes you think the "internal revolutions" as you put it will create secular democratic regimes rather than Taliban-style Islamic fundamentalist regimes? Do you honestly believe that a revolution in Jordan or Saudi Arabia or Egypt would produce a pro-US democracy? Are you high?

Besides their at war with us already, they use deniable agents like al Qeada, but it's their money.

So according to you, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, and Kuwait are at war with us already by supporting organizations like Al Qaeda. Do you have any proof, or is this just a gut feeling?

Democracy can work in every society. What makes you think it can't?

Because it's been tried in many primitive societies and it failed. Pakistan, Chile (before Pinochet modernized it),Zimbabwe, South Africa, and Russia are just a few examples that come to mind. There are countless others.

It's really got nothing to do with culture but rather modernity. The empricial reality is that democracy cannot function effectivly in a pre-modern society that has not developed certain instiutions and whose populace has not reached a certain level of education and sophistication.

66 posted on 04/06/2002 12:32:54 PM PST by traditionalist
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To: Eagle74
Oh, I did check. Saudi Arabia does not have an embassy in Israel.
68 posted on 04/06/2002 1:01:51 PM PST by traditionalist
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