Why Are You Pro-Israel

4/1/02 | elisabeth giles

[ElisabethInCincy]

I love this site.I am a christian and huge follower and researcher of Israel and the events going on there..I wanted to know why so many of you on this board are Pro Israel...Its a great thing to coem to this site and see so much support for Israel...

This site is best online to find great fastttttt breaking news..I am news junkie :))))

[Jorge]

"Sorry but you are wrong. The fact is the entire Hebrew race and the Israelites are refered to as Jews in the Bible."

Please show me just one place in the Bible where the entire Hebrew race and the Israelites are refered to as Jews. You're bluffing, and I'm calling!

Sure you are.
If you had read the next sentence in my post before blurting out a response, you would have had the answer.

So I'll repeat it for you;

In the Gospels "Jews" is the usual term used for Israelites and descendants of Abraham.
To clarify that for you...according the New Testament, Jews, Israelites and the Hebrew race mean the same thing.

So once again, here is a conversation with Jesus where the term Jews is used for the descendants of Abraham; John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

John 8:53
Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. John 8:57
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Romans 3:1

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

[pfflier]

Israel is the result of an international "guilt trip" following WWII. The international community, under the auspices of the UN encouraged immigration of Jews to Israel.

They have done well for themselves as a country economically and militarily.

They have an right, under international law to protect their homeland from armed subjugation.

The entity that created their country now has forsaken Israel, not on moral grounds, but on purely third world political block voting.

The bottom line is the Israel is the little guy standing up for themselves. Americans love the underdog.

[JMJ333]

[LostTribe]

>To clarify that for you...according the New Testament, Jews, Israelites and the Hebrew race mean the same thing.

Your bluffing again, Jorge.  Show me just ONE place in the New Testament where Jews, Israelites and the Hebrew race mean the same thing.  No bluffing is allowed.

[Jorge]

"So we have the writers of the New Testament, the disciples and Jesus recognizing the fact that Jews refers to the Israelite and the Hebrew race.
I'll take their word for it."

That is the most adolescent attempt to make a correlation I've seen in years.

Well it's Jesus, the disciples and the NT writers who are making the correlation not me.
I'm just quoting what they say.
They clearly use the term "Jews" to mean the Israelites, the Hebrew race and the descendants of Abraham.

You either believe them or you don't.
I for one believe them.

Are you trying to pass yourself off as a Biblical scholar with that sense of logic? Please, Go ahead and actually READ my profile and learn that.

Right. And maybe by the time I finish your silly reading assignment, I won't remember that you had no real answers to my challenges. LOL.

And I never claimed to be a Biblical scholar, nor do I need to be to refute your flimsy arguments.
All it took was 5 minutes of research to find scriptures proving the Bible refers to Isrealites, Hebrews and the children of Abraham, all as Jews.

I notice you haven't even attempted to address those scriptures.

[Jorge]

"To clarify that for you...according the New Testament, Jews, Israelites and the Hebrew race mean the same thing."

Your bluffing again, Jorge. Show me just ONE place in the New Testament where Jews, Israelites and the Hebrew race mean the same thing. No bluffing is allowed.

I've posted several passages, MORE THAN ONCE for all to see.
Yet you refuse acknowledge, let alone address them.
You just keep parroting "bluffing! bluffing!" over and over again. lol
Polly want a cracker?

[LostTribe]

OK, Jorge, lets take this from the top once more. You stated

>"Because the Jews are the chosen people of my God"

I stated in effect, no, it is Israelites who are the Chosen People of God, and while Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. But all Israelites are still the "chosen people" and have the same promises.

Then I referred you to my Profile, which you clearly have not read, and which you have made no attempt to refute. Does that fairly state where we are?

[Jorge]

OK, Jorge, lets take this from the top once more. You stated

"Because the Jews are the chosen people of my God"

Actually no, that was another poster.

I stated in effect, no, it is Israelites who are the Chosen People of God, and while Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. But all Israelites are still the "chosen people" and have the same promises.

No, the statement I was responding to simply said (paraphrased)* where does it say that*?

So I posted all those scriptures where God refers to them as His choosen people.

You then claimed that because the term Jew was not used in the passages that therefore it didn't mean the Jews, but the Israelites.

I then quoted New Testament scriptures in which the Hebrew race, the Israelites and descendants of Abraham are all refered to a Jews.
And stated that I believe the New Testament.

Then I referred you to my Profile, which you clearly have not read, and which you have made no attempt to refute.

Why should I read (let alone refute) your "Profile"?
I'm addressing what you said in your post, on this message board. Not your Profile.

I'm not interested in debating some reading assignment you decide to hand out.
How silly. Why don't you go and read the entire New Testament until you find the scriptures that support my point...and then "refute" them for me.

Does that fairly state where we are?

Yes. LOL

[MarkL]

although occasionally lapsing (USS Liberty, Aldridge Ames)

Not Ames! Jonathon Pollard!!!! While Pollard was bad, and I hope that he does spend the rest of his life in prison, what he did doesn't hold a candle to what Ames did!

Mark

[LostTribe]

Games over! Your NitWit factor won!  Do not pass GO.  Do not collect $200.  You can dance around the subject all you want, but if you refuse to
 
 

read and learn, misinformation will continue to be a part of your life, and you will never progress beyond self-serving myths and supersitions.

[timestax]

In Holy Bible kjv in John 8:59 it reads=Then they took up stones to cast at him, but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. This does not prove anything, but it makes sense that if he had long hippie type hair, he would have stuck out like the ole sore thumb. Isaiah 53:2 speaking of the future Christ it reads, breaking in==he has no form nor comeliness;and when we see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

[timestax]

bttt

[LostTribe]

Works for me! Have a nice week.

[College Repub]

Jesus was not in the line of David. This is part of the reason why Jews don't believe he was the messiah. You must recall that during the time of Jesus, in the area where Jesus lived, it was dominated by Jews (what we would call orthodox jews now), (and Romans). For this reason, Jewish law determined the qualifications of who could be the messiah. Because Jewish lineage is through the father (with regard to what tribe one is from), Jesus was not from the line of David, that is if you believe Mary gave a virgin birth.

[William Terrell]

Excuse me, but weren't all the following Bible quotes made where the actual Jews were, and not necessarily all of the Israelites? If there were only Jews in the area, yet they have the same heritage as all Israelites, of course the passages would assume that Jews (this being where the Jews were) Israelites and Hebrews were interchangable terms. That is to say (I'm not doing too well communicating this thought), if one were to go to an area where other Israelites were, none being of Judea, the term "Jew" would not be automatically taken to mean "Isrealite"?

John 8:52
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

John 8:53
Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

John 8:57
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Romans 3:1
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

[William Terrell]

I forgot to include you in this response.

[LostTribe]

>Because Jewish lineage is through the father (with regard to what tribe one is from), Jesus was not from the line of David,

Hmmm. That's very interesting. Matthew 1 of course gives the lineage of Jesus via his Mothers line. But since you do not accept God as his Father then you do not accept that lineage from David.

I had the impression that contemporary "Jewishness" was defined as following the maternal line. Gotta think about that one. -ggg- I've been down this road before but am coming up blank. What am I missing here?

[CARepubGal]

Bibi! Oh yeah! I also find the Palstinians and many non Turkish Muslims thoroughly annoying and untrustworthy. 9/11 was the icing on the cake: This is the time of the "phony war." The Muslim extremists will not rest until all of us are dead or enslaved. Got news for Abdul: Ain't gonna happen!

[Young Werther]

I was in the Air Force during the '67 war. The next year I attended Squadron Officers School. We studied the '67 war at great lengths and even this early we were asking why the Israelis were successful and we couldn't win Viet Nam in 10 days or less.

I grew up with a very close friend who was Jewish. We were buddies and nothing else mattered. They made he desert bloom and have always acted with a certain "nobles oblige" that the Ayrubs could never attain.

[Sicon]

"I wanted to know why so many of you on this board are Pro Israel"

I think the simple answer to this question is that most (sadly not all!) of the people on this forum are people of REASON, and of INTEGRITY, and of PRINCIPLES. Any person who possesses these characteristics cannot but support Israel, just as they cannot but support the United States.

In other words, the reason most here support Israel is because most here are NOT neo-Marxist/Socialist/Communist/Leftist worms who engage in moral equivilency, revisionist history, and/or utopian wishful thinking!