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1 posted on 03/29/2002 4:26:03 PM PST by Pokey78
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Ping for the MSPL.
2 posted on 03/29/2002 4:27:01 PM PST by Pokey78
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 The only question now is whether Bush will realise how disastrous the
last month has been in his retreat from the moral clarity displayed after September 11.

The moral clarity was not in place for a good while after 9/11.  Mark
is mistaken here.  For quite some time, the State department, in their
criticism of Israeli response to terrorism, operated on the notion that
blowing up Israelis was not as bad as blowing up Americans.  Only
recently did Bush allow as to how Israel has a right to prevent her
extinction.  And I'm not sure how long even that will last.

5 posted on 03/29/2002 4:37:22 PM PST by gcruse
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Steyn's absolutely right, as usual. The Passover Massacre is unbearable. Anybody who ever thought - out of some misguided Judeo-Christian "niceness" - that Islam was just another world religion, and had any respect for Christians and Jews, cannot possibly continue to believe this.

The truth is that Islam has been trying to kill both Jews and Christians since its inception. Sometimes it gets knocked back by superior power, sometimes it's undermined by the fact that it destroys any society it touches.

But somehow it has never forgotten how to keep on hating and trying to destroy.

6 posted on 03/29/2002 4:38:52 PM PST by livius
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To: Pokey78
Excellence as usual from Steyn.
7 posted on 03/29/2002 4:40:42 PM PST by xp38
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. The only question now is whether Bush will realise how disastrous the last month has been in his retreat from the moral clarity displayed after September 11. The President has been reduced to mumbling Beltway shorthand about the need to comply with "Tenet" and "Mitchell", while Dick Cheney's shuttle diplomacy to shore up "moderate" Arab support for war with Iraq has resulted only in spectacular rapprochements between Iraq and Kuwait, Iraq and Saudi Arabia, etc. Wednesday's bloodbath should open their eyes: just because it's Easter, that's no reason to lay any more huge eggs.

Great Mark Steyn column. As usual!

11 posted on 03/29/2002 4:56:56 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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Is Steyn a messianic Jew?
12 posted on 03/29/2002 5:05:32 PM PST by mlmr
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Bump.
13 posted on 03/29/2002 5:11:26 PM PST by Rocko
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I would assume "Mark Steyn" is a descendant of Dutch or Rhineland Jews, now a baptised Christian.

That is what is probable based upon the name.

17 posted on 03/29/2002 5:33:09 PM PST by crystalk
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Wow. Steyn is Wild Bill Hickock with keyboard instead of pistolas. Thanks for the post.
25 posted on 03/29/2002 6:38:34 PM PST by jwfiv
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Thanks Pokey. And as usual, thank God for Mark Steyn.
37 posted on 03/29/2002 9:33:51 PM PST by WarrenC
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Christians have prospered in the two millennia since: they have the luxury of turning a celebration of survival into an excuse for chocolate eggs and toy bunnies.

BREAK! Low blow, back to your corners...8 count...touch gloves, come out fighting....

I hate it when Steyn nails it like that.

40 posted on 03/29/2002 10:36:37 PM PST by FlyVet
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Mark Steyn: Struggle puts a premium on being anti-Jew

Excerpt:

Just as revealing was the reaction from the European media. In the American press, you read things like: "An observer to the bomb-blast scene described a dead young girl, perhaps 10 or 12, lying on the ground with her eyes open, looking as if she was surprised." For Europe, on the other hand, the main significance of this development was that it was "unhelpful" to the "peace process". Before I'm accused of being more upset about dead Jewish than dead Muslim kids, let me say that I take people at their own estimation: in the Palestinian Authority schools, they teach their children about the glories of martyrdom; indeed, the careers guidance counsellor appears to have little information on alternative employment prospects; at social events, the moppets are dressed up as junior jihadi, with toy detonators and play bombs. It's not that I place less value on Palestinian lives, but that Chairman Arafat and his chums in Hamas do. So does Saddam Hussein, whose government (the subject of an admiring article in this week's Spectator) gives $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber. So does the Arab League, which at last year's summit passed a resolution hailing the "spirit of sacrifice" of the Palestinian "martyrs" and thus licensed Wednesday's massacre. As for the "peace process", those Europeans who, just a few months ago, were urging the Americans to cease operations for Ramadan evidently feel no compunction to demand from Chairman Arafat and his dark subsidiaries any similar "bombing pause" for Passover.

In the days after September 11, we were told that Muslims had great respect for their fellow "people of the book" - ie, Jews and Christians. This ought to be so: after all, the dramatis personae of the Koran include Abraham, Moses, David, John the Baptist, Jesus and the Virgin Mary. It's one thing to believe that the Israelis are occupiers and oppressors and that the Zionist state should not exist. But no Muslim with any understanding of his shared heritage could in good conscience blow up a Passover Seder. It marks a new low in the Palestinians' descent into nihilism - though, as usual, the silence of the imams is deafening. As for the nonchalance of the Europeans, that too should not surprise us: in my experience, the Continent's Christians, practising and nominal, find the ceremonies of Jewish life faintly creepy, notwithstanding that these were also the rituals by which their own Saviour lived.

But this year, when the Christians' solar calendar and the Jews' lunar calendar have coincided and Easter and Passover fall together, it's a safe bet that George W Bush will make the connection. The first time I ever heard him speak, he spoke openly about his faith and about Christ in a way that would be unimaginable for a British politician. He will know all the details - "the baby tried to crawl away, but it died, too".......................


Steyn has a way with words unlike anyone I have ever known.......


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my ping list!. . .don't be shy.

41 posted on 03/30/2002 3:27:23 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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Before I'm accused of being more upset about dead Jewish than dead Muslim kids, let me say that I take people at their own estimation: in the Palestinian Authority schools, they teach their children about the glories of martyrdom; indeed, the careers guidance counsellor appears to have little information on alternative employment prospects; at social events, the moppets are dressed up as junior jihadi, with toy detonators and play bombs.

How in the world does he keep coming up with good stuff, Pokey??..............





43 posted on 03/30/2002 3:47:01 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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Wednesday's bloodbath should open their eyes: just because it's Easter, that's no reason to lay any more huge eggs.

A Pesach/Pascha BUMP for Mark Steyn!

44 posted on 03/30/2002 3:54:12 AM PST by father_elijah
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46 posted on 03/30/2002 3:56:16 AM PST by dennisw
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It's not that I place less value on Palestinian lives, but that Chairman Arafat and his chums in Hamas do. So does Saddam Hussein, whose government (the subject of an admiring article in this week's Spectator) gives $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber.-----

But this year, when the Christians' solar calendar and the Jews' lunar calendar have coincided and Easter and Passover fall together, it's a safe bet that George W Bush will make the connection. The first time I ever heard him speak, he spoke openly about his faith and about Christ in a way that would be unimaginable for a British politician. He will know all the details - "the baby tried to crawl away, but it died, too". Unlike the Europeans, he must know too that Yasser Arafat could never run any kind of state: give him Switzerland and he'd turn it into a sewer.

The news clip of President Bush's response to this bombing was very telling. He paused and then said "Mister Arafat". I believe this was a signal that he will not recognize Arafat as a Chairman of anything. I also believe that the Israelis who have Arafat under siege got the message from our president, too.

48 posted on 03/30/2002 4:35:37 AM PST by maica
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Steyn is on a roll, a lot of good articles lately.
54 posted on 03/30/2002 9:24:12 AM PST by knighthawk
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The least surprising aspect of this article is that Mark Steyn is a faithful Christian.
57 posted on 03/30/2002 5:02:34 PM PST by happygrl
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Thanks to TomGuy for the above.

Still wondering if the only way to honorably "solve" the Arab-Israeli conflict is to use "ethnic cleansing" (by which I mean the polite, but forceful relocation of all 3 million Palis outside of Eretz Yisrael -- which is not "genocide" which is how some on the Left use it).

This is justified, even required, by the almost 10 years of official "judeo-nazi" indoctrination by the PA of the Pali masses. The current wave of suicide bombers is unprecedented, and is the direct (and obviously planned) result of brainwashing that started with Pali children as young as 1st and 2nd grade. What unspeakable, vomitous horror.

And to the extent that this Pali policy was conducted, funded, supported, promoted, and otherwise enabled by their Arab bretheren (notably Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia) then it is concomittant upon these countries to pay for their sins by taking in the Palis. Moral clarity demands nothing less.

Nothing less than the equivalent of an "Allied invasion of Nazi Germany" will suffice to rid the world of this monstrosity. Eject all Palis, round up their leaders (including "clerics" and "teachers"), put them on trial for Crimes against Humanity, and then hang them in public.

There is NO POSSIBILITY of a negotiated settlement within the lifetime of these people, not when the PA has been preparing its people, not for peace, but for visceral hate and unrelenting war.
60 posted on 03/31/2002 12:14:17 PM PST by My Identity
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bump for later reading
64 posted on 04/09/2002 7:03:00 PM PDT by ambrose
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