Posted on 03/28/2002 11:03:29 AM PST by marshmallow
Author blames almost everything on the Illuminati, who he says want to create fascist global state
The terrorist attacks on New York and Washington were undertaken by the Illuminati -- the human descendants of alien reptiles who want to create a global fascist state. So was Pearl Harbor, the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the death of Princess Diana. George W. Bush was a member of Yale University's secret Skull and Bones Club. So was his father, former president George Bush, and both are gofers for the Illuminati. So is British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Welcome to Conspiracy Nation: the country of David Icke, an author and speaker who has created a lucrative global audience for himself by gathering every conspiracy theory available into one all-encompassing super-conspiracy.
In Icke's view, it's no accident that 9/11 is also the number for emergency. Numerology and ritual codes are, after all, a big part of the Illuminati's modus operandi. The Illuminati are also fond of symbols such as twin towers (read: the World Trade Center) -- a symbol that goes back to ancient times.
These were among the revelations Icke delivered to thousands of people who listened to his speeches on Saturday, Sunday and Monday at the Vancouver East Cinema.
The Canadian Jewish Congress had urged the owner of the Vancouver East cinema to cancel the appearances, fearful that Icke's "Illuminati" is code for the international Jewish conspiracy.
Most of Icke's Vancouver devotees, however, were not traditional anti-Semitic types: older rural far-right fanatics or neo-Nazi white power skinheads.
Instead, most of Icke's followers were well-educated, New Age-y, non-racists who have come to doubt the official government line. Many are readers of local New Age journals like Shared Vision and Common Ground, which advertised Icke's visit. Many share the anti-globalization, anti-corporate view of much of the political left.
However, many have adopted the conspiratorial -- almost paranoid -- perspective of the far-right.
Icke's evil-doers are also the favourite targets of the American far-right groups: the Freemasons, the Rothschilds and other Jewish banking elites, the Catholic hierarchy, the Rockefellers, the Israeli secret police, and various business and public policy think tanks and associations, including the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg meeting of international movers and shakers.
The gist of Icke's message is that the motor of history is run by small cabals of bad people.
All social conflicts -- the Second World War, the Sept. 11 attacks, you name it -- are manipulated by the Illuminati and their henchmen. George W. Bush knew the attacks were coming -- that's why he was talking to Florida school kids when they happened. U.S. military jets capable of intercepting the hijacked planes were deliberately held back so the attacks could occur and give Washington a pretext to attack Afghanistan and launch a protracted war against terrorism.
Chidakash Street attended one of Icke's five-hour sessions this weekend. He runs Serenity by the Sea, a year-round retreat on Galiano Island that offers bodywork, reiki and crystal toning. Street said he was attracted to Icke because he too had doubts about the official line on world events.
"This stuff rattles around in my brain and drives me crazy. And so along comes David Icke and he puts it all together."
Street dismissed recent charges reported in The Vancouver Sun about Icke being anti-Semitic. Street noted The Sun is owned by Southam Publications Inc. and that the Southam corporate logo -- a torch -- sometimes appears on The Sun's editorial page.
"The torch is a sign of the Illuminati," said Street, adding the torch on the Statue of Liberty in New York City was "presented by Freemasons, which is the club of the Illuminati."
Street added that "all you got to do is spend one hour on the Internet plugging in these words and seeing where it leads you and you will find that what he is putting out isn't a theory that Icke has concocted."
Patrick Coady, a vice-president of two local dot-coms, came across Icke's writings while researching reports about the CIA selling drugs in Central America.
Coady has no problem accepting the existence of the Illuminati. "The Illuminati is one term. I've also seen them referred to as the world management team. It's basically large groups of rich people, Freemasons and the Council of Rome. It's a loose term for the group that controls most of the media, most of the large transnational corporations and banks, groups that have pushed for free trade."
On Icke's view that the Illuminati descended from reptilian space aliens, Coady was more ambivalent. "But I do know that if you take a look at the bloodlines of the royalty, and the bloodlines of most of the very powerful people in business and in government around the world, they all seemed to have intermarried. They don't seem to mingle with the general population."
Heather-Anne Briton, who was attracted to Icke's speech by an ad in Common Ground, said she isn't sure if she believes all of Icke's theories, but "he does give you a wider perspective on what could be going on."
Briton added the concept of the Illuminati has credibility given the spread of globalization. "Canadians voted down free trade and we got it anyway. So there has to be something to that."
And then there's B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell. "He said that protest is part of democracy, but I think democracy is listening to what we're saying. They're suppose to listen to us, but they aren't. And so, yes, I think there is somebody else pulling the strings."
That many of Icke's local followers are liberal-minded people shaped by the '60s counter-culture is more worrisome to the Canadian Jewish Congress than if his fans were all rabid neo-Nazis.
"It's much more scary to us," said CJC vice-chair Mark Wexler. "This is a largely liberal or communitarian group seeking spiritual development and they have been led astray by Icke. The New Age approach correlates intelligence with paranoia. The idea is that on the Web there are secret bits of information and that somewhere all of these secrets come together and make sense."
First off, it was not a common practice to launch fighter jets when aircraft went astray before 9-11
You mean they caught the anthrax person??? when was this???
Yes indeed, put WERE commissoned, on the CBOE, just prior to 9/11/01. The FBI and the SEC went right to the CBOE, and began a thorough investigation. The members of the CBOE knew all about it , when it first began, and have been getting some briefings . Yes, I've read the letters. YOU HAVEN'T, YOU POSUER , AND YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT IS IN THEM, NOR WHAT IS BEING DONE. I DO !
Now, you silly, pathetic, nasty little fool, you who have gone off into personal attacks and ad hominems, because all you can do is quote absolute morons and ambulance chasers like Larry Klayman , and every damned conspiracy loon . You want to call me names, as you take orgasmic delight in thinking that Bush knew about the attacks, and that the big bad, secret cabal is out to get you ? Okay, do so. You're just another , in the long line of fools, who live in a delusional world of your wn making, fueled by charlatans, who prey on you and your ilk. T'was ever thus. You're the type who can't tell reality from horsefeathers.
Leviathan
This is the black sea-brute bulling through wave-wrack,
Ancient as ocean's shifting hills, who in sea-toils
Travelling, who furrowing the salt acres
Heavily, his wake hoary behind him,
Shoulders spouting, the first of his forehead
Over wastes gray-green crashing, among horses unbroken
From bellowing fields, past bone-wreck of vessels,
Tide-ruin, wash of lost bodies bobbing
No longer sought for, and islands of ice gleaming,
Overmastering the dark sea-marches, finds home
And harvest. Frightening to foolhardiest
Mariners, his size were difficult to describe:
The hulk of him is like hills heaving,
Dark, yet as crags of drift-ice, crowns cracking in thunder,
Like land's self by night black-looming, surf churning and trailing
along his shores' rushing, shoal-water boding
About the dark of his jaws; and who should moor at his edge
And fare on afoot would find gates of no gardens,
But the hill of dark underfoot diving,
Closing overhead, the cold deep, and drowning.
He is called Leviathan, and named for rolling, (Let's Roll)
First created he was of all creatures,
He has held Jonah three days and nights,
He is that curling serpent that in ocean is,
Sea-fright he is, and the shadow under the earth.
Days there are, nonetheless, when he lies
Like an angel, although a lost angel
On the waste's unease, no eye of man moving,
Bird hovering, fish flashing, creature whatever
Who after him came to herit earth's emptiness.
Froth at flanks seething soothes to stillness,
Waits; with one eye he watches
Dark of night sinking last, with one eye dayrise
As at first over foaming pastures. He makes no cry
Though that light is a breath. The sea curling,
Star-climbed, wind-combed, cumbered with itself still
As at first it was, is the hand not yet contented
Of the Creator. And he waits for the world to begin.
W.S. Merwin www.kapakahi.com/
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"MOTHER OF ALL LIES" ABOUT THOSE CELL PHONE CALLS ON 9/11
NATIONAL I.D. CARD HAS
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Just as Pastor
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WHAT IF AL GORE WERE PRESIDENT? BUSH IS DOING
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BUSH USES ILLUMINIST CODE WORDS IN INAUGURATION SPEECH
FACIAL RECOGNITION TO BE BUILT INTO MOBILE PHONES:
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nopardons claims to have intimate, personal, updated insider info on the put option scandal of UAL and American Airlines.
nopardons, why don't you share some of the skinny with us or at least begin a new thread with your knowledge. Thanks!
Lots of us who trade shares once or twice a year and get annual accounting statements covering every penny of the transactions would like to know why the big secrecy on the put option scandal. Thanks again.
You are nuts. Maybe not certifiable but close. You had better take your anti-psychotic medication. Im really surprised you dont buy into the reptilitan aliens also.
Pathetic is correct. Dr. Liberty is a sheeple who has been fattened for the slaughter by other cranks and crackpots, and by the cottage industry that profit off the delusions of these misfits. Most likely his entire education and experience consists of reading other wacko conspiracy websites. Doesnt this kook realize that anyone can create whatever fiction they want and put them on the internet as truth. Just because its in print doesnt mean its true.
Have you personally read this book? From the level of education youve displayed I doubt you could read and comprehend what someone like Bryzinski wrote.
David Schippers (who tried the Impeachment case against Clinton and also tried to warn John Ashcroft of the planned attack on the World Trade Center)
And your sources for that, and SChippers source? Did you hear him say it, yourself? Or did you read some synopsis of what some other crackpot said he said? How general a threat. Anyone in thier right mind knew that OBL was likely to go after the Towers a second time. Big deal.
At least one FBI agent being represented by Judicial Watch who will announce that he was prevented from blowing the whistle on the "Al-Queda" attack.
Now youre really showing your gullibility, Judicial Watch. Gee they are the gold standard of credibility. Again whats the name of this agent and where has his story been told in main stream media. Or do whistle blowers only go to kooks are us to publish their warnings.?
Gee, you really are a piece of work! And for a while I thought you were just pulling our chains.
As for a conspiracy nowadays, I see no other conspiracy than mankind conspiring to cause revolutions and bloodsheds in the name of their cults, denying jurisdiction and separation of powers. Whether one is moneyed, poor, religious or not, all seem to have a score to settle. What would the Founding Fathers say? Gees, we should be ashamed of ourselves.
GeronL -"First off, it was not a common practice to launch fighter jets when aircraft went astray before 9-11."
From the Article "Mr. Cheney's Cover Story" on the website www.tenc.com,
"...Mr. Cheney deliberately confused these terms to stop people from asking: why weren't any of the hijacked planes intercepted?
Since "stopping, deflecting, or interrupting the progress or intended course of" a hijacked airplane does not necessarily involve violence, there could be no moral obstacle to scrambling fighter jets to intercept Flight 77. Therefore Mr. Cheney shifted quickly to the morally charged question of whether to shoot down "an airplane full of American citizens". By creating this emotional link between interception (not necessarily violent) and shooting down a commercial jet (very violent), Cheney hoped to create sympathy for a President forced to make this "horrendous" choice: to intercept or not to intercept.
Note that Cheney is speaking only of the period after Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. By confusing the issues of "intercepting" vs. "shooting down" AFTER the Pentagon was hit, Cheney was trying to get his listeners to forget the real issue: that nothing had been done BEFORE the Pentagon was hit.
Mr. Cheney attempted to hide the jump from "intercept" to "shoot down" by means of the following connecting sentence:
"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate."
This is disinformation. Mr. Cheney was treating his viewers like fools.
First, as anyone with a computer and basic knowledge of the Internet can find out, Air Traffic Controllers request military jets to intercept commercial aircraft on a routine basis. Sometimes the purpose is to tell a commercial pilot that his plane has gone off course; other times the interceptor goes up in order to observe the situation directly - for instance, to see who is flying the plane. None of this requires presidential approval.
Second, military interceptors (or 'escorts') already have clear "instructions to act." These instructions can be read online in detailed manuals from the FAA and the Department of Defense. The instructions cover everything from minor emergencies to hijackings. If a problem is serious, high-ranking military officers from the National Military Command Center (NMCC) in the Pentagon can take charge.
Let us consider the procedures used in intercepting commercial aircraft.
An Air Traffic Controller (ATC) may request military jets to intercept (or 'escort') a commercial aircraft in response to any serious problem which the Air Traffic Controller cannot solve through radio contact. Perhaps the most common problem is that a commercial jet has deviated from its authorized flight path.
Every commercial jet is required to follow IFR, or Instrument Flight Rules. IFR requires pilots to file a flight plan with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) before takeoff. (FAA Order 7400.2E 14-1-2) (2)
"Commercial flights fly according to predefined flight plans. These flight plans are intended to provide quick routes that take advantage of favorable winds while avoiding the routes traveled by other aircraft. The usual flight plan is a series of three connected routes: a standard instrument departure (SID) route, an en route path, and a standard instrument arrival (STAR). Each route consists of a sequence of geographic points, or fixes, which, when connected, form a trajectory from the point of departure to the point of arrival." --'Direct-To Requirements' by G. Dennis & E. Torlak (3)
If a plane deviates from its flight plan, for example if it makes the wrong turn at one of its 'fixes,' an Air Traffic Controller (ATC) contacts the pilot. If the ATC cannot make contact, he or she will request an escort - that is, a military jet - to scramble and check out the situation. This is called 'interception.'
As you can see, interception is not necessarily an aggressive act. Usually it is requested because routine communication has become impossible.
For example, when the Lear jet chartered by Payne Stewart, the famous golf pro, went off course, and the pilot did not respond by radio, the FAA immediately contacted the military:
"Several Air Force and Air National Guard fighter jets, plus an AWACS radar control plane, helped the Federal Aviation Administration track the runaway Learjet and estimate when it would run out of fuel." --'CNN,' 26 October 1999 (4)
The FAA online manual describes how an escort (i.e., a fighter jet) might communicate with a commercial airliner which fails to respond to radio contact. The FAA has a chart entitled:
"INTERCEPTING SIGNALS
"Signals initiated by intercepting aircraft and responses by intercepted aircraft."
According to the chart, which is available on-line, if a commercial jet is intercepted in daytime, the escort fighter jet may communicate by:
"...Rocking wings from a position slightly above and ahead of, and normally to the left of, the intercepted aircraft..."
This conveys the message, "You have been intercepted." The commercial jet should respond by rocking its wings, indicating it will comply.
The escort then makes a "slow level turn, normally to the left, on to the desired heading [direction]."
The commercial jet is supposed to respond by following the escort. (FAA 'AIM' 5-6-4) (5)
When a commercial jet deviates from its approved flight path, it creates a potentially deadly hazard: it could collide with another jet. It is therefore reassuring that the FAA has an exacting standard for what constitutes an emergency:
"Consider that an aircraft emergency exists ... when: ...There is unexpected loss of radar contact and radio communications with any ...aircraft." --FAA Order 7110.65M 10-2-5 (6)
And: "EMERGENCY DETERMINATIONS
"If ... you are in doubt that a situation constitutes an emergency or potential emergency, handle it as though it were an emergency." --FAA Order 7110.65M 10-1-1-c (7)
A high-ranking FAA official - called an Air Defense Liaison Officer (ADLO) - is stationed in the headquarters of NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command. The purpose: to help the FAA and the military work together to handle emergencies as quickly as possible. (8) Escorts are usually scrambled from NORAD bases, such as the Otis Air Force Base on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, or the air base at Langley, Virginia. But not always:
"Normally, NORAD escort aircraft will take the required action. However, for the purpose of these procedures, the term "escort aircraft" applies to any military aircraft assigned to the escort mission. " --FAA Order 7610.4J 7-1-2 (9)
Thus when Payne Stewart's Lear jet went off course:
"First, a fighter jet from Tyndall, Fla., was diverted from a routine training flight to check out the Learjet. Two F-16s from another Florida base then picked up the chase, later handing it over to two Air National Guard F-16s from Oklahoma, which handed it over to two F-16s from Fargo, North Dakota." --'ABC News,' 25 October 1999 (10)
During a serious emergency, or if there is any possibility that a hijacking has occurred:
"The escort service will be requested by the FAA hijack coordinator by direct contact with the National Military Command Center (NMCC)." --FAA Order 7610.4J 7-1-2 (9)
A Defense Department manual makes the same point:
"In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses,...forward requests for DOD [Department of Defense] assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval." --CJCSI 3610.01A, 1 June 2001 (11)
Located in the Pentagon, the NMCC can tap into radar stations and thus monitor dangerous emergencies and hijackings. For example, during the Payne Stewart incident:
"...officers on the Joint Chiefs were monitoring the Learjet on radar screens inside the Pentagon's National Military Command Center." --'CNN,' 26 October 1999 (4)
When dealing with potentially hostile situations, escorts can adopt more aggressive behavior:
"Small Private Plane Ordered to Land in Vicinity of Bush Ranch
"A small private plane flying unauthorized in the vicinity of President Bush's ranch near Crawford was ordered by the military to land Thursday, a sheriff's deputy said....
"The Federal Aviation Administration declared that the plane was unauthorized and ordered its occupants detained, Plemons said. At that point military officials, flying in two jets beside the plane, got on the pilot's radio frequency and ordered the Cessna to land...
"The plane landed on a private landing strip near State Highway 6, about eight miles from the Bush ranch near Crawford....
"In [a second incident, in] Wood County, Sheriff's senior Dispatcher Rodney Mize said a private plane was forced down by two military pilots in A-10 Warthog jets about 11:30 a.m. The jets flew one above and one below until the private plane's pilot landed at Wisener Field near Mineola." --'AP,' 13 September 2001 (12)
The 'Boston Globe' reported that:
"[Marine Corps Major Mike] Snyder, the NORAD spokesman, said its fighters routinely intercept aircraft.
"When planes are intercepted, they typically are handled with a graduated response. The approaching fighter may rock its wingtips to attract the pilot's attention, or make a pass in front of the aircraft. Eventually, it can fire tracer rounds in the airplane's path, or, under certain circumstances, down it with a missile." --'Boston Globe,' 15 September 2001 (13)
Now, let us return to Mr. Cheney and his interview on 'MEET THE PRESS.'
As you will recall, he said:
"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate."
Moreover, Mr. Cheney's implicit argument - that there is no point in sending up an escort unless the pilot has clearance to shoot down a commercial jet - is absurd. Why would such a decision have to be made in advance of scrambling the escort? Even if an airliner has been taken over by a terrorist with a suicide mission, how could Mr. Cheney, Mr. Bush or anyone else other than God Himself possibly predict how the hijacker would respond to an intercept by military jets? Even if a hijacker were ready to die for the glory of crashing into the Pentagon, does that mean he would also be ready to die for the glory of ignoring a military pilot's order to land?
So even if the military had no authority to shoot down Flight 77, why not send up escorts planes? Isn't that in fact how police and the military routinely handle hijack situations - by mobilizing a potentially overwhelming force in the hope of getting the hijacker to surrender?
Why, as Mr. Cheney claims, would there have been "no point" in trying this tactic in the case of Flight 77? Weren't many human lives at stake? Isn't that "a point"?
I was not demeaning the great armed forces and the men and women in uniform protecting this country. I have been and continue to be grateful to them for their sacrifices.
My beef is with the "leaders" who for some reason ordered them to stand down on 9/11, and allowed events to take place.
This is a similar pattern to what happened at Pearl Harbor, where fDR sacrificed those lives to get us into WWII; Vietnam, where political considerations triumphed over concern for our military lives'; and The First World Trade Center attack, which was allowed to go forward and even facilitated by the FBI!!!
I care about the country and the common folk, and I despise the evil ones in power who selfishly use them for their own gain!!!
Secondly, are you going to apologize for calling our Armed Forces "pathetic"?
Now why did I know you would dredge up that idiotic disproven conspiracy? End comms.
"Idiotic disproven conspiracy"? I am a retired reserve lieutenant commander who spent nearly 20 years, enlisted and commissioned, in Air Force and Navy intelligence, largely signals intelligence. It is my opinion that the two latest conspiracy books on Pearl Harbor, Robert Stinnett's Day of Deceit (look at the paperback edition, which has additional evidence) and Timothy Wilford's Pearl Harbor Redefined: USN Radio Intelligence in 1941, prove the existence of an FDR Pearl Harbor conspiracy. Obviously you're free to disagree with me on that, as plenty of people do. But I really do not understand how you can say the conspiracy theories about Pearl Harbor are "idiotic" or "disproven". Who disproved them, and how?
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