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Posted on 03/28/2002 8:04:49 AM PST by sheltonmac

Rather than crash the pro-Bush orgy threads, I thought I would honor the requests of the "we must support the president at all costs" crowd and let them bask in their Republican utopia in ignorant bliss. Consider this a thread that seeks actual debate and discussion concerning the "accomplishments" of our current president. Feel free to voice your support or opposition to the president's policies. After all, dissension, even among conservatives, can be healthy.

This thread is in response to the blatant display of sheer ignorance on the part of some FReepers. There have been several threads initiated lately that have included some rather disturbing posts. Without naming names, I would like to share some of those with you:

"I guess when you want to get MEANINGFUL CFR you avoid the obvious veto bait and keep the issue out of the dem's hands, so that hopefully you can get a Senate elected and some JUDGES appointed.

I guess when you are running a WAR you don't have time for this stuff that is nothing more than petty political junk. Instead, you get the bill where the SC can decide it."

This person supports the president so much that he or she is willing to overlook the clear unconstitutionality of the Incumbent Protection Act. The president ignored his oath of office and deliberately signed an unconstitutional piece of legislation as part of some well-concealed strategy? Please.
"If you're 'proud he's your President' why don't you try supporting him instead of bashing him.

He's smarter than you are. He knows what he's doing.

And he hasn't betrayed anyone."

Translation: President Bush is smarter than his critics. We should trust him without so much as a whimper of criticism regarding any unconstitutional legislation he may force down our throats. He hasn't betrayed anyone but the American people, so back off.
"There are many of us who have chosen to STILL support the President even though we may disagree with some of the things he's done. Where is the reality in expecting the President to agree with you on absolutely everything he does? It's nowhere. Because that reality does not exist no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves that it does.

But consider this. Think back two years ago... and now think of what the alternative could have been. Cripe, even Rosie O'Donnell admits she didn't like GWB, but even she supports him now. I am simply amazed that it takes one issue, one issue, to dismay so many people."

Perhaps the "one issue" that dismays so many people is the fact that the president we are expected to support has violated the very solemn oath he swore to keep, that being his promise to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Say what you want about Clinton. Play the "What if Gore were elected" game if you want. That was then, this is now. We have a president in office who essentially told America, "This law may be unconstitutional but I'm signing it anyway."

Has anyone read the statement on FreeRepublic's main page? It reads as follows:

Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.
I always thought standing for smaller government meant just that, whether that means criticizing a Democrat or Republican administration. We need to ask ourselves one question: are we for smaller government and more freedom? If the answer is "Yes," then act accordingly. Let's not fall into the trap that says we must support the liberal policies of a president at all costs simply because he's not as liberal as a Democrat.


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KEYWORDS: bush; cfr; freespeech
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To: sneakypete
Don't take offense to those, I love it when the Country Club Republicans are shown for what they are,,,,,,Cult of Personality drones willing to follow anything to win.

The persistent conjurring of grand strategery and chest matches is fun to watch........btw, the suit gave another great speech today

641 posted on 03/28/2002 5:55:37 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: sheltonmac
My sentiments exactly. Excellent post
642 posted on 03/28/2002 6:05:17 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: ken5050
"Boyam I thankful it's Bush and not Gore" crowd...which even Rosie belongs to....

Ken,read over what you wrote and then think about it,ok? "Even Rosie.....". What does THAT tell you? Do you think Rosie suddenly became a conservative,or even a "moderate" Republican? Or do you think maybe Bubba-2 has done a lot of stuff that pleases the left? Which do you think is most likely?

644 posted on 03/28/2002 6:07:27 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: rbmillerjr
Don't take offense to those, I love it when the Country Club Republicans are shown for what they are,,,,,,Cult of Personality drones willing to follow anything to win.

I also love it when closet populists and liberals use class warfare as a debating tactic and shown for what they are.

645 posted on 03/28/2002 6:10:17 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
LOL, if da shoe fits fire up that BBQ..........non Bush bot equal liberal I gotcha,,,,,,,cole slaw?
646 posted on 03/28/2002 6:12:42 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
LOL, if da shoe fits fire up that BBQ..........non Bush bot equal liberal I gotcha,,,,,,,cole slaw?

Hey you are the one using the "up with the proletariat" crappola. Admit it you loved ole Huey Long didn't ya.

647 posted on 03/28/2002 6:15:53 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: ratcat
Rosie supports Bush...

This is a joke, no?
648 posted on 03/28/2002 6:18:23 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: Texasforever
There is a difference between class warfare and the Country Club Republican, it has nothing to do with class, it has to do with principle vs. Let's win...........and yes I did love Huey Lewis and the News
649 posted on 03/28/2002 6:21:13 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: colorado tanker
Dear Maroon: There is no such power granted ANYWHERE in the Constitution, PERIOD. Said power was SIEZED by the SUPREMES in 1803. It was NOT GRANTED to them. The Constitutionality of legislation was supposed to be checked by all involved, OR the PEOPLE, in the last resort. (Jury nullification and all that, as was done during Prohibition) The Chief Executive takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Do you suppose it's asking too much for him to KNOW WHAT IT SAYS AND MEANS??????????????

Signed,
Patient

651 posted on 03/28/2002 6:42:23 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: colorado tanker
So why'd he sign it? Because Enron made Bush and Republicans vulnerable to the charge that he would veto CFR to keep the soft money millions flowing from the oil patch. CFR does not resonate with ordinary voters but Enron does.

Perhaps. But Mr. Bush had political capital bulging even more heavily than Enron's former coffers. He had (has?) the kind of approval ratings Ronald Reagan himself could never have imagined. He could well enough have vetoed CFR (as he should have done, without question, and on very solid Constitutional ground, as I think we both know) and taken his case to the American people, and remind them that, oh, by the way when Enron came schnorring around our administration looking for some favours as soon as the proverbial sh@t hit the proverbial fan, our administration told Enron in no uncertain terms to take a proverbial hike - and anyone who says otherwise is either an ignoramus or an @$$.
652 posted on 03/28/2002 6:45:59 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: dcwusmc; colorado tanker
Said power was SIEZED by the SUPREMES in 1803.

The gentleman refers, I believe, to Marbury v. Madison...
653 posted on 03/28/2002 6:48:15 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: Bitwhacker
"Cordless bungee-jumpers into the abyss of expediency.
Beggars at the doorstep of principle."

I like those. ;)

654 posted on 03/28/2002 6:51:34 PM PST by Tauzero
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To: BluesDuke
Q: How many Bush Presidents does it take to re-direct a nation based upon liberty, freedom amd self-responsibility?

A: Two. The Daddy lied to America and the people voted his A$$ out. And his Son lied to America and the people will vote his A$$ out.

655 posted on 03/28/2002 7:00:42 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: clintonh8r
Uh, Homeland Security is not a Cabinet position.

I stand corrected. For the time being,anyway. I have no doubt it will become a Cabinet position,though. It IS another bureaucracy though,and we all know they never go away. They just get bigger.

656 posted on 03/28/2002 7:03:33 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: BluesDuke
This is a joke, no?

No. She has stated several times on tv that "Although I was a Gore supporter and am a life-long Dim-0-crat,I'm glad Bush is our president now."

657 posted on 03/28/2002 7:07:27 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: rbmillerjr
Of course you don't. You only see personal insults when they are leveled at you or others like you. Insulting supporters of the current administration is fair game for you and others.

I guess you missed stuff like this: "let them bask in their Republican utopia in ignorant bliss..."

Of course, had I called YOU ignorant, you'd consider it a personal insult, when Bush supporters are called ignorant, you see it as a call for debate.

Here's another little tidbit that's not real conducive to the "author's" call for debate": "...blatant display of sheer ignorance on the part of some FReepers..."

If the author wishes to know WHY he seems to have some difficulty "debating" issues with others, he may want to tone down on the arrogance a bit.

658 posted on 03/28/2002 7:07:39 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: sneakypete
She has stated several times on tv that "Although I was a Gore supporter and am a life-long Dim-0-crat,I'm glad Bush is our president now."

Shows you how often I watch The Rosie O'Donnell Show. What's tomorrow's headline, then - hell freezes over? ;)
660 posted on 03/28/2002 7:11:22 PM PST by BluesDuke
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