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Posted on 03/28/2002 8:04:49 AM PST by sheltonmac
Rather than crash the pro-Bush orgy threads, I thought I would honor the requests of the "we must support the president at all costs" crowd and let them bask in their Republican utopia in ignorant bliss. Consider this a thread that seeks actual debate and discussion concerning the "accomplishments" of our current president. Feel free to voice your support or opposition to the president's policies. After all, dissension, even among conservatives, can be healthy.
This thread is in response to the blatant display of sheer ignorance on the part of some FReepers. There have been several threads initiated lately that have included some rather disturbing posts. Without naming names, I would like to share some of those with you:
"I guess when you want to get MEANINGFUL CFR you avoid the obvious veto bait and keep the issue out of the dem's hands, so that hopefully you can get a Senate elected and some JUDGES appointed.This person supports the president so much that he or she is willing to overlook the clear unconstitutionality of the Incumbent Protection Act. The president ignored his oath of office and deliberately signed an unconstitutional piece of legislation as part of some well-concealed strategy? Please.I guess when you are running a WAR you don't have time for this stuff that is nothing more than petty political junk. Instead, you get the bill where the SC can decide it."
"If you're 'proud he's your President' why don't you try supporting him instead of bashing him.Translation: President Bush is smarter than his critics. We should trust him without so much as a whimper of criticism regarding any unconstitutional legislation he may force down our throats. He hasn't betrayed anyone but the American people, so back off.He's smarter than you are. He knows what he's doing.
And he hasn't betrayed anyone."
"There are many of us who have chosen to STILL support the President even though we may disagree with some of the things he's done. Where is the reality in expecting the President to agree with you on absolutely everything he does? It's nowhere. Because that reality does not exist no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves that it does.Perhaps the "one issue" that dismays so many people is the fact that the president we are expected to support has violated the very solemn oath he swore to keep, that being his promise to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Say what you want about Clinton. Play the "What if Gore were elected" game if you want. That was then, this is now. We have a president in office who essentially told America, "This law may be unconstitutional but I'm signing it anyway."But consider this. Think back two years ago... and now think of what the alternative could have been. Cripe, even Rosie O'Donnell admits she didn't like GWB, but even she supports him now. I am simply amazed that it takes one issue, one issue, to dismay so many people."
Has anyone read the statement on FreeRepublic's main page? It reads as follows:
Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.I always thought standing for smaller government meant just that, whether that means criticizing a Democrat or Republican administration. We need to ask ourselves one question: are we for smaller government and more freedom? If the answer is "Yes," then act accordingly. Let's not fall into the trap that says we must support the liberal policies of a president at all costs simply because he's not as liberal as a Democrat.
I NOMINATE THIS PERSON FOR BEST NEW POSTER!
Amen to everything you said!
EBUCK
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Bump.
EBUCK
Stem cell research
Faith Based Initiative
No attempt to prosecute Clinton crimes
EO to keep Clinton documents from release
No congressional declaration of war
MFN status to China
Back dues paid to the UN
Airline bailout
Patriot Act (pretty good rape of the 4th amendment)
Office of Homeland Security
Payoffs to families of victims of 9-11
Federalization of airport security
Education bill and lovefest with Ted "The Swimmer"
Shadow government (who are these people? did we elect them?)
Volunteer corps
Steel tariffs
50% increase in foreign aid??
Amnesty for illegals???
I guess we're supposed to be happy because we got a tax refund.
Geez, maybe gore would have been better.
I guess when you don't have the horsepower to argue the facts, you're forced to slander the other side.
In all the hysteria over the part of the bill none of us likes, ya'll overlooked the fact that "hard money" just doubled. Pubbies collect gobs more hard money than Dems. So, the Pubbie interest groups will advertise up to 60 days before election, then the candidates will use their hard money to carpet bomb the airwaves to rebut Babs and Rosie.
Assuming the Supremes do their duty and hold the 60 day restriction unconstitutional, this bill becomes majorly pro-Pubbie.
In the last 40 years, the Courts and Congress have done a lot of stuff that IMHO infringes my Constitutional rights. CFR is probably 55 on my to do list. Conservatives shouldn't be getting their panties in a wad over this - restricts the blood flow.
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No, no, if we go down that road we will soon find ourselves on the slippery slope of relativism...no matter fact or words in Constitution, everybody's opinion is not just to be heard but have equal value..."...shall make no abridgement of", many things including the "freedom of speech"
And labeling anyone who defends him, for whatever reason, even when they openly disagree with him, as a Bush syncophant is a tactic of a weak mind as well. Not that I'm saying you did, but some here have.
I reiterate: what would we rather have here? A "forum" in which 80,000 or so mindless automatons which are in total agreement post the same drivel all the time, or a forum for open, honest and (hopefully) civil debate of the issues?
EBUCK
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Uhhhh... short of a multiple personality disorder, why would someone defend him while openly disagreeing with him?
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