Posted on 03/28/2002 8:04:49 AM PST by sheltonmac
Rather than crash the pro-Bush orgy threads, I thought I would honor the requests of the "we must support the president at all costs" crowd and let them bask in their Republican utopia in ignorant bliss. Consider this a thread that seeks actual debate and discussion concerning the "accomplishments" of our current president. Feel free to voice your support or opposition to the president's policies. After all, dissension, even among conservatives, can be healthy.
This thread is in response to the blatant display of sheer ignorance on the part of some FReepers. There have been several threads initiated lately that have included some rather disturbing posts. Without naming names, I would like to share some of those with you:
"I guess when you want to get MEANINGFUL CFR you avoid the obvious veto bait and keep the issue out of the dem's hands, so that hopefully you can get a Senate elected and some JUDGES appointed.This person supports the president so much that he or she is willing to overlook the clear unconstitutionality of the Incumbent Protection Act. The president ignored his oath of office and deliberately signed an unconstitutional piece of legislation as part of some well-concealed strategy? Please.I guess when you are running a WAR you don't have time for this stuff that is nothing more than petty political junk. Instead, you get the bill where the SC can decide it."
"If you're 'proud he's your President' why don't you try supporting him instead of bashing him.Translation: President Bush is smarter than his critics. We should trust him without so much as a whimper of criticism regarding any unconstitutional legislation he may force down our throats. He hasn't betrayed anyone but the American people, so back off.He's smarter than you are. He knows what he's doing.
And he hasn't betrayed anyone."
"There are many of us who have chosen to STILL support the President even though we may disagree with some of the things he's done. Where is the reality in expecting the President to agree with you on absolutely everything he does? It's nowhere. Because that reality does not exist no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves that it does.Perhaps the "one issue" that dismays so many people is the fact that the president we are expected to support has violated the very solemn oath he swore to keep, that being his promise to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Say what you want about Clinton. Play the "What if Gore were elected" game if you want. That was then, this is now. We have a president in office who essentially told America, "This law may be unconstitutional but I'm signing it anyway."But consider this. Think back two years ago... and now think of what the alternative could have been. Cripe, even Rosie O'Donnell admits she didn't like GWB, but even she supports him now. I am simply amazed that it takes one issue, one issue, to dismay so many people."
Has anyone read the statement on FreeRepublic's main page? It reads as follows:
Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.I always thought standing for smaller government meant just that, whether that means criticizing a Democrat or Republican administration. We need to ask ourselves one question: are we for smaller government and more freedom? If the answer is "Yes," then act accordingly. Let's not fall into the trap that says we must support the liberal policies of a president at all costs simply because he's not as liberal as a Democrat.
I suppose we can always trust the skunks to be in favor of henhouse-raiding. ;^)
The hysterics works well for my argument that Bush did the right thing for both the Constitution and the party. The lack of an argument not based in hysterical projections of unwarranted dangers exemplifies the vapor on which the anti-bushies arguments are written.
I think you know this was wrong but are willing to give him leeway because he's a "conservative" and may just be playing the game. I however am not willing to give him quarter on this issue. Any time a politician hacks into the 1st, 2nd, and 4th especially, but any part of the Constitution/BOR in general, they are fair game regardless of ulterior political motives or supposed affiliation.
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I'm tired of being told I don't understand the Constitution, or that I don't care about the Constitution, that I put party over country, blah blah blah.
What I put first, above EVERYTHING, including my own desires, is this COUNTRY; I'm not one of these "line in the sand" types........as I said yesterday, if you keep drawing a line in the sand, sooner or later it becomes a circle and you are the only one in it and anybody who doesn't see things the way you do is the enemy.
You all just do not have the market cornered on what is right, to the exclusion of all other people's views.
I am sorry to hear that, but you should never let them experiment on your brain, it's a realtively useful thing to use...
McCain wanted the bill passed no matter what. That is why he gave in on the hard money and why the GOP insisted on clauses that allow the bill to be contested well in advance of it being effective. This may well be the only bill that was passed in such a way that it can be tested in the courts before its even effective.
So, yes in many ways the bill was written so accomadate a quick and effective SC challenge.
But I suspect you of being the "Roscoe" in question. Now crawl back into your toilet.
You wouldn't know from first hand experience it seems.
And is this not true of the Bush Apologists and Amnesty Deniers?
Their arguemnts are often rife with fallacious reasoning, deliberate ignorance of basic facts, personal attacks, and obsequious hero-worship.
Yes, you do.Retake the Senate, Keep the House, and you can do anything you damn well please, install judges, repeal legislation...whatever. That having been said, this will not pass the courts.
Yep, as I suspected, McCain is the most brilliant conservative mind in history! He wrote the entire bill and worked hard to pass it through Congress, knowing all the while SCOTUS would strike it down. That way it'll be off the radar screen and the GOP can concentrate on getting things done. He's a chessmaster, that's for sure.
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