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***George W. Bush: Master Politician and Great American***
Stardate: 0203.28 | the Wizard

Posted on 03/28/2002 2:52:13 AM PST by The Wizard

It was so clean it was un-noticed by his enemies, and decried by his supporters, but GWB has just demonstrated a political ability that no-one on the left, and very few on the right ever saw.....

I always refer to the old Zorro scene with Basil Rathbone as the villian slicing a candle to show Tyrone Power how deft he is with a sword, because when "Zorro" does it the candle doesn't move....(The point is then shown that Tyrone's cut was SOOOOO smooth he sliced the candle so well he cut it without moving it....a truly great scene)

The First Lady did the same thing to Algore with her "...My husband sleeps with a teacher EVERY night..." comment that was so smooth a cut most of the media hasn't picked up the wound even today....

Well good Freeper Friends, that's what Old George did to the left with Johnny McCain's unconstitutional CFR Bill....

He fooled them into passing a billl that allowed more hard money, (something they would never ever allowed because it has NEVER, EVER been raised by anyone like our Commander and Chief) allowing them to include provisions that they thought would give them the edge, while knowing that others would attack and have thrown out all the offending provisions before they ever took effect, but the severably would allow the things not challanged to stand: Outcome

hard money limits have been raised and will stay raised, and the bad parts will be strck down, and we can now see that McCain was always working with GWB and the poor dems never knew it.....

What a political play.......cut to the bone and not even seeing it til after surgery is complete......


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To: Notforprophet
read the whole thread i have.
81 posted on 03/28/2002 5:50:21 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: JohnHuang2
Your "two cents" is worth a fortune. Thanks once again.
82 posted on 03/28/2002 5:56:20 AM PST by Angelwood
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To: Area51
Are you talking about a DWI forty years before the election? Get real. We have yet to have Jesus run as president - all others are mere mortals who can learn from their mistakes.
83 posted on 03/28/2002 5:58:59 AM PST by ClancyJ
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To: Miss Marple
I agree with you. And I will be so very glad when the decision comes down from the SC
because the air will be let out of so many of these Richard Cranium's balloons. But
I'll bet not one of them will acknowledge the truth of what JohnHuang2 has written.
But I would be perfectly satisfied if they just shut up and went away.
84 posted on 03/28/2002 5:59:26 AM PST by SwatTeam
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To: rdb3
It's not that we don't listen, it's just that some of us have principles and believe that a man's word should mean something. Apparantly GWB does not believe that his oath is worth anything and so do you.
85 posted on 03/28/2002 5:59:30 AM PST by gunshy
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To: JohnHuang2
Great commentary as usual BUMP
86 posted on 03/28/2002 6:00:47 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: JohnHuang2
Yet, after wasting millions of tax dollars persuing the President; after thousands of hours collecting testimony, rummaging through documents, combing minutes of meetings, looking for dirt, what did Bush-haters finally come up with?

A big, fat Nada, that's what.

Not to pour water on your celebration, but with the election now just a matter of months away, it's naive to think the libs and their shills in the media have thrown in the towel.

If they can't find a legitimate issue to skewer GWB with, they'll make one up, and the press will be on it like stink on s**t.

Get ready for the barrage...

87 posted on 03/28/2002 6:01:30 AM PST by daler
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To: rbmillerjr
If the bill is obviously unconstitutional, then the Supreme Court will scrap those parts, and Bush is right to pass it to them for a final decision, rather than just HIS opinion, which, after all, can be discounted by those who think he is a dummy.

If the Supreme Court rules it constitutional after all, then you have no gripe, as he has signed a constitutional bill. What you are then left with is griping that Bush didn't veto a constitutional bill passed by both houses that YOU don't like. (Actually, I don't like the bill the way it stands, either. But then I am not griping about how Bush defnitely should have vetoed it.)

88 posted on 03/28/2002 6:03:10 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: The Wizard
George W. Bush: Master Politician....

The same words were used to describe Clinton.....I'm not impressed.

89 posted on 03/28/2002 6:03:18 AM PST by lurkeylou
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To: SwatTeam
I will be so very glad when the decision comes down from the SC because the air will be let out of so many of these Richard Cranium's balloons. But I'll bet not one of them will acknowledge the truth of what JohnHuang2 has written. But I would be perfectly satisfied if they just shut up and went away.

Yeah that's sort of the purpose of this bill LOL>

90 posted on 03/28/2002 6:05:32 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Notforprophet

Following your logic - if SCOTUS upholds every portion of the CFR bill, will you publicly apologize for your comments regarding GWB?

The president is on record saying the bill is unconstitutional. Therefore he believed that he was committing an unconstitutional act when he signed it. What the Supreme Court says is irrelevant to this damning fact.

91 posted on 03/28/2002 6:06:11 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: Miss Marple
You are just going to have to accept that some people think this may have been the best course.

I do accept that, and appreciate your acceptance of my differing view. What concerns me, is this:

DAY 1: McCain is a maniac, and Bush will never sign
DAY 2: Bush said he'll sign? Outrageous - this will hurt him!
DAY 3: Well, I'm not happy about Bush's decision, but perhaps SCOTUS will take care of our problems
DAY 4: Not only will SCOTUS strike CFR down, but what's left will benefit the GOP
DAY 5: Bush is making lemonade out of lemons. He's boxed in, but he'll make the best of it.
DAY 6: Perhaps there's a master plan. This could be the best of both worlds for the GOP.
DAY 7: Bush is a genius who has manipulated the Dems! Brilliant!

Honestly, it feels like the Democrat talking points that came out every day during the impeachment proceeding. Shift the argument a little each day, and Presto! your man's a brilliant politician who narrowly avoided the trap set for him by his dastardly enemies. I'm not buying it.

92 posted on 03/28/2002 6:06:16 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Miss Marple
If the Supreme Court rules it constitutional after all, then you have no gripe, as he has signed a constitutional bill.

Perfect process argument. Unfortunately, my argument is not that he should not sign it due to it being unconstitutional (although I think it is UC)

My argument is that it is a bad bill and he promised not to sign it.

93 posted on 03/28/2002 6:09:33 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: JohnHuang2
John, I don't think he's that popular. It's soft support at best, and that can never be counted on to turn into votes. Presidents are almost always more popular at wartime. Will that be true 2 1/2 years from now? I don't know. Politics is local first, and if people aren't getting their paychecks, their guns are being taken away, more abortions, etc, it will be trouble. Most of all, "It's the economy stupid". The economy, tax raises, and gun grabs combined ended in a landslide victory for Klinton over GHWB, who was a 90% approval rating and was supposed to cruise to election. Soft support.

I don't know what's going to happen with Enron. That could still come back and bite Bush. It might now. I don't know.

As for this court game with CCW - He has nothing to gang from signing this. The right wing has a long memory of stuff like that. The gunowners aren't happy about it, and some of us now have our votes up for grabs. Bush has prove to me that he's worthy of my vote. This bill is aimed specifically at me and my type. I don't care about the courts. HE signed it, whatever the reason. He wants this. I don't a chess game here. I see a yellow stripe. I see a lack of courage. I see the buck stopping at SCOTUS instead of where it should be stopped. "I'm too scared of looking bad by the NY SLIMES so I will let SCOTUS take care of it". That could bite him too. We do not know how SCOTUS will rule. After the Florida counts, the courts may want to 'look independent' and not be a 'puppet of Bush'. Then what?

If CFR is sustained, we'll be fighting with one hand behind our backs. The NRA will be told to sit down and shut up. There goes West VA and New Hampshire in 2004. Probably write off Michigan as well.

The war will be 3 years old in 2004. War weariness is always a concern. The ugly gun ban is up again in 2004. The economy will always be the big concern. Bush needs to remember what got him - The right flank and gunowners. The left will never vote for him. Period. The blacks are going to be up in arms since Jesse Jackass and company will go around about the 'stolen election' and blacks being 'turned away at the polls', with more 'James Byrd stuff'. Planned Parenthood/NARAL will go around with the pro-aborts. The media will scare people's pocketbooks. There might not be a Nader this time either. Most of the mushy middle votes on economy.

I think Bush overplayed his hand here, and he's going to be hit from the right over, and over, and over again unless he pays the right back BIG with a gun ban veto, or another Scalia or Thomas as a judge. Else, he could be pincer attacked in 2004. No one gets up from those.

94 posted on 03/28/2002 6:11:07 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: rbmillerjr
And we know that you don't like it because you and all of your supporters have been on
every thread repeating the same tired phrases over and over. It seems when something is repeated over and over
so many times it gets sickening, it loses its impact. And anyway, it's more than 60 days before the election and
we aren't paying any money to anybody to talk.
95 posted on 03/28/2002 6:12:26 AM PST by SwatTeam
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To: Dan from Michigan
CFR, not CCW
96 posted on 03/28/2002 6:12:34 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: rbmillerjr
" My argument is that it is a bad bill and he promised not to sign it. "

Promises promises........"dubya" has kept every promise he intended to keep!........

OOPPPPS! did I just meld one politician with another?

Nah couldn't have ...he's an "R" not "D". What was i thinking?

97 posted on 03/28/2002 6:14:40 AM PST by Kakaze
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To: The Wizard
George W. Bush: Cheap Politician. Big-Government opportunist.

Wimp.

98 posted on 03/28/2002 6:15:56 AM PST by Hank Rearden
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To: Dan from Michigan

Presidents are almost always more popular at wartime. Will that be true 2 1/2 years from now?

Sure. See, GW Bush figured out what his father didn't understand: popular at wartime? Just keep the war indefinitely! We will always be at war under GW Bush. That much is clear.

99 posted on 03/28/2002 6:19:27 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: The Wizard
Excellent..... he is truly a great chess player.
100 posted on 03/28/2002 6:21:23 AM PST by Dustbunny
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