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Posted on 03/27/2002 4:35:02 AM PST by Mia T

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:33:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

O'DONNELL: Well, I wouldn't be here. Here I am. That woman right there didn't want me to come. My publicist, Lois Smith, 74, cried on the phone last night. People were saying to me are you out of your mind? I'm not out of my mind. Because I'm not afraid of you. You're smart, you went to Harvard, you went to B.U. like I did.

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The rape took place while Bill was running for governor. Hillary came bursting into the room to talk to two people, one of whom I personally know. She said "You won't believe what this &^%$#@#$%^ did now. He tried to rape some b*tch."

It was the job of these two to squelch the story.

doug from upland to Shaun Hannity, WABC, 10/16/00

You had questioned the gentleman who drove you and Mr. Clinton from the airport. You asked him about me and if I would be at the gathering. Do you remember? You told the driver, "Bill has talked so much about Juanita", and that you were so anxious to meet me. Well, you wasted no time. As soon as you entered the room, you came directly to me and grabbed my hand. Do you remember how you thanked me, saying "we want to thank you for everything that you do for Bill". At that point, I was pretty shaken and started to walk off. Remember how you kept a tight grip on my hand and drew closer to me? You repeated your statement, but this time with a coldness and look that I have seen many times on television in the last eight years. You said, "Everything you do for Bill". You then released your grip and I said nothing and left the gathering.

What did you mean, Hillary? Were you referring to my keeping quiet about the assault I had suffered at the hands of your husband only two weeks before? Were you warning me to continue to keep quiet? We both know the answer to that question.



"I believed that he had done it. I believed her that she had been raped 20 years ago. And it was vicious rapes, it was twice at the same event." Asked point blank if the president is a rapist, Shays said, "I would like not to say that it way. But the bottom line is that I believe that he did rape Broaddrick."

Shays Shocker: Clinton Raped Broaddrick Twice

It's no longer acceptable to say that the abuse and mistreatment of women is cultural. It should be called what it is: criminal."

-- Hillary Rodham Clinton, addressing the UN, 3.4.99  

As we've learned from the Juanita Broaddrick story (non-story, I should say) and countless others, the Clintons will do their best Muhammad Ali impression and play rope-a-dope one more time. Like they said - they've got to "get back to the business of the American people." You know - degrading the military, censoring the Internet, and bombing other countries. There's no time to deal with rape allegations or small details like a contempt charge.

---No Person is Above the Law

"Who is Juanita Broaddrick? I've never heard of her!" cried Betty Friedan, the founder of modern feminism. Friedan's outburst came at last Fridayís conference, entitled "The Legacy and Future of Hillary Rodham Clinton." Held at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. D.C., the event offered a chilling microcosm of an angry, divided America.

For nearly an hour, a five-woman panel had been debating whether Hillary qualified as a "feminist heroine." I thought Broaddrick's claim of having been raped by Hillary's husband had some bearing on this point, so I broached the subject during the question-and-answer period. Friedan's dyspeptic denial followed.

Was Friedan telling the truth? Maybe. And maybe all those millions of Germans who professed ignorance of the death camps were telling the truth too. The problem is, having admitted her ignorance, Friedan showed no interest in exploring the matter further. And that was the problem with the Germans too.

Totalitarian impulses flourished at the conference. Taking a page from Soviet psychiatry, some Clintonites suggested that Hillary hating might be a mental illness. . .

---Richard Poe, The Hillary Conspiracy

The clinton Rapes: Credit where credit is due...

Even hillary hagiographer, Gail Sheehy, concedes that hillary clinton deserves no less than half of the credit for the clinton rapes:

She made the money, she laid out the political strategy. She fought his political enemies for him. She gave him a beautiful child. She was an excellent mother. What more could you want in a political wife? So these other little escapades on the side were just, you know, white noise.


Historically, hillary clinton has always been a co-equal partner in clintoncrime.

Specifically, hillary clinton raped, too. For two decades, for power, for all intents and purposes, hillary clinton both provided and pinned her husband's prey as he raped them, again and again.


In a novel twist of logic and reality during the First Rapist's impeachment trial, the co-rapist portrayed the endless string of clinton rapes as significant clinton public policy, euphemistically dubbing chronic clinton predation "ministering to troubled young girls."

Mia T, First Rapist's Rose-Garden Escape: The Full Story

Arkansas nursing home operator Juanita Broaddrick told impeachment investigators she was raped not once but twice by Bill Clinton during a brutal attack in a Little Rock hotel room 22 years ago, Connecticut Congressman Christopher Shays revealed Wednesday...

Shays Reveals Details of Clinton's 'Horrific' Broaddrick Rape

Bill Clinton may not be the worst president America has had, but surely he is the worst person to be president. There is reason to believe that he is a rapist ("You better get some ice on that," Juanita Broaddrick says he told her concerning her bit lip), and that he bombed a country to distract attention from legal difficulties arising from his glandular life, and that. ... Furthermore, the bargain that he and his wife call a marriage refutes the axiom that opposites attract. Rather, she, as much as he, perhaps even more so, incarnates Clintonism

---GEORGE WILL, Sleaze, the sequel



by Mia T


It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope.

We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth,

and listen to the song of that siren

till she transforms us into beasts.

Is this the part of wise men,

engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty?

Are we disposed to be the number of those

who, having eyes, see not,

and having ears, hear not,

the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?

For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost,

I am willing to know the whole truth;

to know the worst, and to provide for it.

-----------------Patrick Henry


In a dark time, the eye begins to see.

----------------- Theodore Roethke




1 posted on 03/27/2002 4:35:02 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Gail Wynand; looscannon; Lonesome in Massachussets; river rat; Freedom'sWorthIt; IVote2; Slyfox...

Q ERTY2 "There isn't a shred of evidence."

HILLARY, YOU KNOW, KnowNothing Victim Q ERTY4 double bagel,

W I D E B O D Y. low-center-of-gravity Dim Bulb, Congenital Bottom Feeder

Q ERTY3 zipper-hoisted

clinton zipper vitiated by obvious spilth

Humpty Dummies

Q ERTY6 utter failure 4th-Estate Malfeasance (DEATH BY MISREPORT)

rodham-clinton reality-check BUMP!

Thou art arm'd that hath thy crook'd schemers straight.
Cudgel thy brains no more, the clinton plots are great.

Mia T, On Neutered and Neutering,

by Mia T and Edward Zehr (EZ)

"I did not have any involvement in the pardons that were granted or not granted," insisted Sen. KnowNothing, seeming to forget her presence at the New-Square/Oval-Office schmooze that secured pardons for the four Hasidic felons who set up a phony school in Brooklyn to swindle the government out of millions intended for the poor.

Mia T, Sen. KnowNothing Victim Clinton Effectively Pleads 5TH in Press Conference by Invoking Spousal Privilege

With President Clinton's encouragement, his half-brother, Roger, collected hundreds of thousands of dollars to lobby on behalf of as many as 13 people seeking presidential pardons and other favors, a key congressional panel has found. <snip>
The probe concluded that the former president and his administration repeatedly failed to properly check the backgrounds of people seeking pardons and <snip> permitted a culture that provided easy opportunities for relatives and close associates of the president to make money on the side by lobbying for clemency and other presidential favors for convicted felons...[R]equests bypassed the normal Justice Department review system and instead went directly to the Oval Office <snip>.
Roger Clinton could not be reached for comment. Bill Clinton has denied that pardons were for sale.<snip>
Congressional investigators found that the president's brother-in-law Hugh Rodham... suggested that former First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton was also behind the commutation.<snip>
In addition <snip> Rodham, despite his public statements to the contrary, has returned less than one-fourth of the $204,000 fee that he said he had given back to the Vignali family.
The committee also determined that President Clinton granted a pardon to fugitive financier Marc Rich only after his sponsor, former White House Counsel Jack Quinn, went around the Justice Department. Quinn apparently did so on the advice of then-Deputy Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr., who was hoping to be elevated to attorney general if Al Gore was elected president, the report found. <snip>

Roger Clinton Said to Be Deeply Tied to Pardons

Politics: House reform panel says ex-president encouraged his brother.

  • the deposition of Sonya Stewart, which tells us that "the trade mission issues were "only the tip of the iceberg -- that the really big money went towards Presidential access." Mr. Grafeld indicated to me that he believes that Ms. Moss was asking for political contributions in exchange for seats on Commerce Department trade missions, likely at the direction of Hillary Rodham Clinton, but that documents showing this illegal activity had "left the building."
  • "a huge box" hauled back to Camp David by said corrupt president under subpoena.

the Gestalt--the synthesis of the evidence -- the absurd reason for the president's Thanksgiving-Day Camp David-DC-Camp David trip; the Ron-Brown-posthumous, Ron-Brown-related, Thanksgiving-Day corpse; the Sonya Stewart deposition informing us that evidence of illegal Commerce activity had "left the building;" and "a huge box" hauled back to Camp David by said corrupt president under subpoena.

Mia T, Helen Thomas Syndrome: THE SYMPTOMS



by Mia T
So many pardons 4 sale.
So many rodhams & clintons to nail.
Hey, hey Mary Jo!
Can you spell R-I-C-O?

Sen. KnowNothing Victim Clinton Holds News Conference

by Mia T


WASHINGTON- February 22. Sen. KnowNothing Victim Clinton held her premiere press conference today on Capitol Hill, ostensibly to answer questions about the peddling of White House pardons by her brother and her campaign treasurer. Notably absent among the press queries were any about her own involvement not only in those pardons, but in the larger universe of sold pardons--the incipient clinton scandal du jour--Pardongate.

KnowNothing's brother, Hugh Rodham, secured two of the 141 clinton midnight pardons, one for a cocaine kingpin and the other for a snake-oil swindler. Rodham netted a quick $400,000 for his "work" according to various rodhams and clintons and their assorted lawyers. KnowNothing's campaign treasurer, William Cunningham III, himself a law partner of longtime KnowNothing adviser Harold Ickes, helped obtain last-minute pardons for two convicted felons.


Displaying a willingness to throw her brother (along with her husband) to the wolves, Sen. Victim Clinton was quick to make a distinction between her big, bad brother's pardon "work" and that of her campaign treasurer, "a fine lawyer and a fine man." The "family" connection of brother Rodham to Clinton made brother Rodham's "work" bad, bad, bad, whereas the campaign treasurer Cunningham's connection to the senator and her campaign coffers made his securing of two pardons in record time a sterling example of highminded, effective public service.

KnowNothing is apparently not the best of thinkers. If the "family" connection makes lobbying for cocaine-kingpin and snake-oil-swindler pardons bad, bad, bad for brother Rodham, then the "family" connection makes lobbying for the Hasidim 4 (see Keating 5) pardons bad, badder, baddest for the wife, First Lady and senator-elect. Moreover, pardons for votes is arguably worse than pardons for dough.


KnowNothing specifically declined to answer when asked whether she discussed the pardons with her husband, effectively pleading the 5th. Turning aside questions about the pardon decisions her husband had made, she told reporters they should address those issues with him and his staff. She refused to say whether he should agree to appear voluntarily before congressional committees investigating the pardons. Interestingly, no one asked her whether she would agree to appear voluntarily before those same congressional committees.


"I did not have any involvement in the pardons that were granted or not granted," insisted Sen. KnowNothing, seeming to forget her presence at the New-Square/Oval-Office schmooze that secured pardons for the four Hasidic felons who set up a phony school in Brooklyn to swindle the government out of millions intended for the poor.


KnowNothing noted that her"best memory" was that she never spoke to her brother or to Mr. Cunningham about the pardons. With variations of "I don't have a memory" and "my best memory, and avoiding the more obvious "I don't recall" and "my best recollection," KnowNothing reprised the Ruffian standard used during the clinton years to commit perjury without penalty.


...or more precisely, envelopes. During her denials of involvement in any of the pardons, KnowNothing made the curious claim: "People handed me envelopes, I passed them on [and never opened a single one. Honest.]"


Reprising the role of victim that enabled her to win a senate seat in spite of record-high personal negatives and public failures, the senator peppered her answers about big, bad Hugh (understanding that the subtext was big, bad Bill) with "saddened" and "disappointed" and "heartbroken" and "shocked."


This session today was cut short by a staffer when reporters appeared dissatisfied by Senator KnowNothing's lack of candor.

In the end, this press conference full of poses, poll-tested phrases and prevarication was just another display of the clintons' utter contempt for the people. Bill Clinton committed the same error last Sunday in his shameless, lie-filled New York Times Pardongate Apologia.

The clintons' fundamental error: They are too arrogant and dim-witted to understand that the demagogic process in this fiberoptic age isn't about counting spun heads; it's about not discounting circumambient brains.


2 posted on 03/27/2002 4:38:54 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
So what if he thinks she didn't know. No reason to diss him. He has done great work.
3 posted on 03/27/2002 4:39:27 AM PST by cinFLA
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September 11 changed a lot of things for me, Bill. I will say this, before September 11, I was definitely mildly myopic in terms of my political agenda. If you were Democrat you were probably right, and if you were a Republican you were probably wrong. Everything changed for me that day...

My entire worldview changed. If you would have told me September 9 that I would have been at the world series game filming George Bush throwing out the first pitch with my 6-year-old son crying, I never would have believed you, but I was. Because my whole worldview changed.


The Real Danger of a Presidential Fake:
Post-9/11 Reconsideration of The Placebo President
by Mia T, 1.06.02
 In May, 1996, American diplomats were informed in a Sudanese government fax that Bin Laden was about to be expelled -- giving Washington another chance to seize him. The decision not to do so went to the very top of the White House, according to former administration sources.

They say that the clear focus of American policy was to discourage the state sponsorship of terrorism. So persuading Khartoum to expel Bin Laden was in itself counted as a clear victory. The administration was "delighted".

Bin Laden took off from Khartoum on May 18 in a chartered C-130 plane with 150 of his followers, including his wives. He was bound for Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. On the way the plane refuelled in the Gulf state of Qatar, which has friendly relations with Washington, but he was allowed to proceed unhindered.

Barely a month later, on June 25, a 5,000lb truck bomb ripped apart the front of Khobar Towers, a US military housing complex in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. The explosion killed 19 American servicemen. Bin Laden was immediately suspected...

US missed three chances to seize Bin Laden

Just look around this chamber. We have members from virtually every racial, ethnic, and religious background. And America is stronger for it. But as we have seen, these differences all too often spark hatred and division, even here at home. . . This is not the American way. We must draw the line. Without delay, we must pass the Hate Crimes Prevention Act and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. And we should reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act.

bill clinton, State of Union Speech, January 27, 2000

"I'm sorry, but the president is one of the crudest men I have ever encountered in government service," says one female agent. "He has no respect for women."

Among the comments clinton made in presence of Secret Service agents:

. Frequent speculation on the oral sex skills of women
the president saw or met in receiving lines;

. References to the size of a woman's breasts, legs or figure;

. Sexual jokes.

After the Monica Lewinsky story broke, however, clinton toned down his rhetoric and behavior in front of his Secret Service agents, but those who guarded the president say enough of them saw and heard things which could be damaging to clinton.

"It depends on who Ken Starr calls," says one ex-agent. "The people who are on the job today are not necessarily the ones who know the most."

Turnover In clinton's Secret Service Detail 'Highest That Anyone Can Remember'

In the months that follow, reporters drop the issue. Feminists say little or nothing. Rape crisis center workers acknowledge that Broaddrick's case, including her reluctance to come forward, is typical of victims of sexual assault. But they decline to speak against clinton. Some cite the federal funding they receive as a result of the Violence Against Women Act, which was signed into law by clinton.

Why does the press continue to ignore the Juanita Broaddrick story?

The Placebo President:
How a Rapist can be a Policy Feminist
placebo effect n.
A beneficial effect in a patient following a particular treatment
that arises from the patient's expectations concerning
the treatment rather than from the treatment itself.
Every woman adores a Fascist,
The boot in the face, the brute
Brute heart of a brute like you.
----Sylvia Plath
The placebo effect immediately came to mind
as I listened to Shelby Steele,
a research fellow at the Hoover Institution,
debunk the following pernicious spin intended to save clinton.
To wit:
A proven felon and utter reprobate can remain president;
clinton can be a failed human being but a good president.
The error in these statements arises, says Steele,
from the belief that
virtuousness is separate from personal responsibility
so that one's virtuousness as an individual is determined by
one's political positions on issues rather than on
whether or not in one's personal life there is a
consistency and a responsibility.
Steele's contention is that this compartmentalization,
rather than being the amazing advantage
the clintons would have us believe,
in fact, spills toxicity into, corrupts, the culture.
If mere identification with good policies is what makes one virtuous
then those policies become, what Steele calls, iconographic,
that is to say they just represent virtuousness.
They don't necessarily do virtuous things.
If clinton's semantic parsing strips meaning from our words,
clinton's iconographic policies strip meaning from our society,
systematically deconstructing our society as a democracy. . .
I would take Shelby Steele's thesis one step further.
I maintain that iconographic policy functions like a placebo,
producing a real, physiological and social effects.
The placebo effect is, after all, the brain's triumph over reality.
Expectation alone can produce powerful physiological results.
The placebo effect was, at one time, an evolutionary advantage:
act now, think later
bill clinton is the paradigmatic Placebo President.
Placebo is Latin for "I shall please."
And please he does
doling out sham treatments, iconographs, with abandon.
To please, to placate, to numb, to deflect.
Ultimately to showcase his imagined virtue.
Or to confute his genuine vice.
clinton will dispense sugar pills (or bombs)
at the drop of a high-heeled shoe...
or at the hint of high treason...
clinton's charlatanry mimics that of primitive medicine.
Through the 1940s, doctors had little effective medicine to offer
so they deliberately attempted to induce the placebo response.
The efficaciousness of today's medicines
does not diminish the power of the placebo.
A recent review of placebo-controlled studies
found that placebos and genuine treatments
are often equally effective.
If you expect to get better, you will.
Which brings me back to the original question:
Can clinton be a failed human being but a good president?
Clearly he cannot.
These two propositions are mutually exclusive.
clinton's fundamental failure is a complete lack of integrity.
He has violated his covenant with the American people.
Because clinton has destroyed his moral authority as a leader,
he can no longer function even as a quack;
the placebo effect is gone.
And so the Placebo President must now go, too.

4 posted on 03/27/2002 4:53:45 AM PST by Mia T
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To: cinFLA
Great work again Mia T. Thanks
5 posted on 03/27/2002 4:57:35 AM PST by alexdad
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To: Mia T
Excellent post. You should email it all to O'Reilly since he "thinks" Hitlery didn't know maybe you should enlighten him.
6 posted on 03/27/2002 5:06:19 AM PST by kellynla
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To: kellynla
Hillary may not have known about Monica specifically, but she did know that Bill was an adulterer and was getting his on the side.
7 posted on 03/27/2002 5:08:33 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: cinFLA
Good question.

At least Rosie O'Donnell acknowledges her ignorance. O'Reilly presents himself as well-informed, and that is precisely why his misinformation is infinitely more dangerous. Objective analysis of the evidence must necessarily lead one to the conclusion that hillary clinton was bill clinton's partner in crime and was, specifically, his partner in rape.

I've noticed this about O'Reilly:

To demonstrate to the left that he is not a "right-wing nut", he will often gratuitously bend over backwards in order to appear to be leaning left (often disregarding logic and facts in the process). He especially prefers using this ploy when discussing his favorite targets, hillary clinton and Jesse Jackson.

8 posted on 03/27/2002 5:08:54 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Hillary knew, Monica just blew her cover.
9 posted on 03/27/2002 5:10:10 AM PST by hgro
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To: Mia T
excellent post. how long does it take you to complete one of these


10 posted on 03/27/2002 5:29:00 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: Mia T
O'Reilly prostituting himself for the sake of his new radio gig. Kind of sad, but not unexpected. Listen to Sean kissing the butt of Susan Estrogen, Gloria Alred, and others who work for WABC.......there he was supporting Maher.
11 posted on 03/27/2002 5:49:57 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: Mia T
"I have too much power really. America gives too much credence to celebrities, to what they think and what they say."

Stop the presses. I agree with Rosie O'Donnell about something.


12 posted on 03/27/2002 6:07:42 AM PST by BibChr
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To: OldFriend
O'Reilly prostituting himself for the sake of his new radio gig. Kind of sad, but not unexpected. Listen to Sean kissing the butt of Susan Estrogen, Gloria Alred, and others who work for WABC.......there he was supporting Maher.

Well, sometimes I think of the old saw, "You have to go along to get along." The big picture should be what's looked at, to me.

13 posted on 03/27/2002 6:38:34 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Mia T
Whoever edited the interview (probably her staff) did a fine job putting another face on this otherwise opinionated, self-serving and difficult woman. Would really like to know what was edited during this interlude.

O'REILLY: ......And there's no question that Hillary Clinton lied to the investigators about the billing records and about this and that. And if you look at career, with the Hasidim votes up in -- Hasidim votes up in New York, with a whole bunch of things. You find not a truthful woman.
O'DONNELL: Well, here's the stuff that I'm not educated enough to say --
O'REILLY: But you have power.

Huh? She admits she isn't educated enough to know the facts about Senator Mendacity and he comes back with "But you have the power"? The 'no spin zone' has just unraveled with this badly edited, Why We Should All Love The New Rosie, interview.

14 posted on 03/27/2002 6:57:49 AM PST by StarFan
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To: Mia T
Great work Mia T. Somehow you need the incorporate the Christmas 1997 charade of Slick Willie and cottage cheese thighs dancing on the beach overlooking Magen's Bay in St. Thomas, USVI. You remember that one, right?

This was just before the Lewinsky scandal blew (no pun intended) sky high. I'm certain Hillary knew, although it's difficult to find a "shred of evidence" that she did.

15 posted on 03/27/2002 7:13:51 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Mia T
As a fellow Long Island boy, I have long recognized O'Reilly's type. That part of him that can think is quite often sabotaged by the cultural effluvium that permeates the air over that island, from which, by the way, Rosie also hails.

Conservatives should be very leery of O'Reilly --- he doesn't have much intellectual discipline and he is very often dead wrong.

16 posted on 03/27/2002 7:21:02 AM PST by beckett
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To: BibChr
"America gives too much credence to celebrities"


You go, Rosey! lol

17 posted on 03/27/2002 7:21:59 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Fred Mertz
Excellent point. ;)

To paraphrase Mark Twain, the music was better than it sounded.

18 posted on 03/27/2002 7:23:29 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
The Patrick Henry is powerful at the end. Liked the point about Totalitarian impulses flourish at the feminism conference where anyone who criticizes Hillary is labeled mentally ill. Good job, Mia T.
19 posted on 03/27/2002 7:32:26 AM PST by The Westerner
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To: beckett
Conservatives should be very leery of O'Reilly --- he doesn't have much intellectual discipline and he is very often dead wrong.

That's right. He's not consistently principled, and he isn't that deep of a thinker. If you could buy him for what he's worth, intellectually and philosophically, and then sell him for what he thinks he's worth, you'd make a tidy profit.


20 posted on 03/27/2002 7:38:41 AM PST by BibChr
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