Posted on 03/25/2002 11:38:23 AM PST by 45Auto
Do we need any more evidence that corruption is the norm, not the exception in, not just the FBI, but all government?
I just finished reading a news story about the FBI trying to prevent the investigation of the shooting of an innocent person by an FBI agent.
The number of instances of "mistakes" made by government officials that are covered up, defended and lied about are too numerous to list. "Mistakes" that would put you or I away for a long time are not even punished if a government official commits them. From Bill Clinton all the way down to the local police department, government officials and employees are exempt from the laws enforced against you and me.
Government officials lied and obstructed justice in cases like the Branch Davidians in Waco, Ruby Ridge and many more. Even when wrongdoing or crimes were uncovered, the responsible parties went unpunished, protected by the government.
To see the root of the problem, we must first admit that the Constitution is no longer the controlling legal document of the United States. Currently, the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth amendments are null and void.
Here are some examples to prove it.
First Amendment
Campaign Finance Reform is a clear violation as political speech is what the Founding Fathers were protecting with this Amendment.
Restrictions on Practice of Religion are now government policy. Congress is barred from both endorsing and restricting the practice of religion. Separation of Church & State does not appear in the Constitution nor was it intended. The Founding Fathers often invoked religion in early legislation and as the foundation of the rights the constitution was written to protect.
The right to petition government for redress of grievances was recently shown to be void as the IRS and Justice Departments refused to answer We The People’s (http://www.GiveMeLiberty.org) arguments about the legality of the Income Tax. They continue to enforce illegal policy and law by not answering to those that challenge it. Tax court judges have a financial interest in upholding such laws and generally will not allow a challenge to the law in court.
Second Amendment
Licensing of gun owners, laws restricting owning & bearing arms, arbitrary banning of guns (cosmetic & function) are all “infringements” on the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment is actually protected more than the First by it’s wording. The First Amendment states “Congress shall make no law…” restricting only the Congress (not the states or people) from making laws restricting the ideas in the Amendment. The Second Amendment states “…shall not be infringed” which doesn’t restrict a specific body from regulating arms, it restricts ALL people or government, including state and local, from regulating or “Infringing” on the right.
Clearly, the requirement for licensing, restrictions on “bearing” arms and outright bans like in Washington D.C. violate this “right.”
Third Amendment
To my knowledge, this is the only “right” enumerated in the Bill of Rights that has not been violated.
Fourth Amendment
From warrantless searches, invasions of private property without proper warrants or probable cause, confiscation of private property without conviction, to lack of punishment for officials violating the Fourth Amendment, this one is void.
Police and Federal Agents routinely search people without a warrant or probable cause. While evidence collected during illegal searches is often thrown out of court, punishment for the officers responsible does not occur.
Officers also routinely lie to judges to get warrants, a violation of their oaths and requirement that they “affirm” under oath to their testimony when requesting a warrant. No punishment is handed out when officers lie in such circumstances.
No Knock warrants are high risk to both officers and the people targeted. They may be justified in some, highly regulated, circumstances. Unfortunately, they are used in cases where the subject is not a demonstrated threat and/or the charge is petty or minor. Often, it would be safer and easier to wait for the suspect to leave their residence or business and arrest them on the street where they are less able to barricade or defend themselves. David Koresh walked to town daily and could have been arrested on his walk instead of the violent attack on the compound that was perpetrated. His infraction was failure to pay a $200 tax a Class III firearm(s), firearms that were never recovered after the destruction of the compound. Charges of sex with children had been levied many times before and the Davidians were exonerated each time. The perpetrators of the Waco debacle were promoted, not punished.
Also reported are numerous cases of police serving a no knock warrant on the wrong house resulting in damage and the deaths of innocent people. The perpetrators in such cases are often given only reprimands if anything at all. If I, as a common citizen, shoot the wrong person, even while defending my life, I would be held criminally responsible for shooting an innocent person. The police are allowed to do worse without consequences.
Fifth Amendment
Confiscation of private property without compensation, involuntary filing of tax return (providing possible evidence against you), double jeopardy (hate crime laws), and deprivation of liberty without due process, all violate the Fifth Amendment.
First of all, the Federal Government has no police powers when it comes to common crime. Murder, theft, rape and the rest are State matters. Treason, Bribery by Federal Officials and a very few other crimes are Federal in Jurisdiction. Trying people that commit murder, burn down buildings and lie to stockholders (Enron) in Federal court is unconstitutional. Federal jurisdiction is clearly defined.
Sheriffs in Florida and across the country routinely confiscate cash and personal property from vehicles pulled over on the nations highways. This property is confiscated even when no charge is made nor conviction made. Often, the property owner has to go to court, at their expense, to get the police to return their property. This is clearly deprivation of property without due process of law.
If you are tried for a sensational crime or a highly publicized crime and the “powers that be” don’t agree when you are found Not Guilty, they will often charge you with a violation of someone’s civil rights in federal court. A crime is a crime, changing the name of the charge does not make it a different crime. This is double jeopardy and a violation of the Fifth Amendment.
Due process is violated all the time. How many stories have we read where someone is jailed without being informed of the charges against them. In some cases, their attorney couldn’t get the charges told to them. Sometimes, a warrant is left blank until the search is complete. This allows officials to go on a hunt for anything to prosecute someone for.
Sixth Amendment
Speedy trials no long exist. You can sit in jail for years waiting for your day in court if you cannot afford or are denied bail. You are also guaranteed an impartial jury of the State and district where the crime occurred. Many cases are moved to another jurisdiction where less publicity has occurred, violating this right. Getting an impartial jury is near impossible now also. First, the very process of jury selection allows the lawyers to pick jurors based on how they think they will rule. Second, jury instructions given by judges often include untrue statements such as “you must judge the evidence and if you find the defendant violated the law, you must find him/her guilty.” A jury actually has the right to judge the law itself and if they decide the law is unjust, they can find Not Guilty.
Jury Nullification was a time honored and respected activity up until the second half of the 20th century. We still have the right as jurors to nullify laws, but judges actually bar such information from their courthouses and courtrooms. They go so far as to deny the right in their jury instructions.
Accused are often not allowed to face accuser or witnesses. Recent cases deny the right of an accused rapist to confront the accuser because that might traumatize the victim. Another recent case had “secret” evidence the government claimed was a national security item. Thus, the accused could not even see the evidence against him, another violation of the Sixth Amendment.
You have the right to the Assistance of Council when you are charged with a crime. Unfortunately, the council supplied if you cannot afford to pay for quality council, has a burdensome caseload, is underpaid and sees you as a file on his/her desk. With high profile prosecutors in many jurisdictions, you cannot get a fair trial with the substandard defense many public defenders provide due to skill or workload.
Seventh Amendment
Common Law traditionally requires an injured party and a party that created the injury. One must show in court how another violated his/her rights or deprived him/her of property by damage or theft.
Currently, one can file a civil case against anyone for almost anything, including a recently invented ‘right’ to not be offended. In a county with free speech and the right to speak your mind, it is incompatible to recognize a ‘right to not be offended.’ This does not release someone from liability if actual damage is done (Cross burning on lawn or Slander and Libel) but recognizes that personal opinions are going to offend certain others. Laws exist (common and modern) to hold people liable for slanderous speech and incidents like yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater. Being offended by a sexist joke does not cause any actual damage to the ‘victim’ unless it rises to the level of harassment, defined as repeatedly and purposefully continuing to commit an otherwise legal action with intent to harm (offend) after a request to stop in a place where the victim cannot voluntarily remove himself. In a workplace, the victims cannot voluntarily remove themselves without damage (loss of job, etc…) but in a bar, the ‘victim’ can walk away thus avoiding the offending ‘speech.’
Unfortunately, current courts award victories and money to people that are offended by what should be protected speech. You could be held financially liable for telling your buddy a dirty joke in your own home, if another guest claims to be offended. No injury, real or imagined, need exist anymore.
A jury in a civil case is no longer impartial. In society, large corporations have been demonized to the point that juries award huge awards to people even when they don’t think the company was responsible. “The company can afford to help the victim” is a common statement from a juror even when the juror admits the company didn’t cause the injury. Again, an example of judges not explaining the rules or preventing prosecutors from telling the jury how rich the company is and how poor the victim is in an attempt to sway the jury regardless of the facts.
Eighth Amendment
Bail is arbitrarily set, often very high for simple failure to follow the impossibly numerous gun laws while real threats like rapists and killers are set loose with low bail. Inherit a war trophy machine gun from your grandfather’s tour during WWII and you could end up in prison. If you don’t know the 20,000+ gun laws and accept the machine gun, not knowing you need to pay a $200 tax and get permission from the BATF and your local Sheriff, you can be imprisoned for a long time. In some places, if your father gives you an antique firearm, mounted on a plaque, you can be convicted if you don’t register it. In both cases, your bail is likely to be set much higher than the street thug that just carjacked someone or the repeat home invader.
Most people charged with a failure to file all the appropriate paperwork or made an error filling it out are generally law abiding citizens that ran into trouble complying with the unwieldy amount of hoops they are required to jump through. They are generally not a flight risk, the true purpose of bail. Why then are the people least likely to jump bail given the largest bail amounts while street thugs that frequently jump bail and commit more offences while out on bail get small bail amounts?
The IRS imposes excessive fines for failure to pay your taxes or for errors, intentional or not, on your returns. In some cases, these fines compound rapidly, growing faster than the persons ability to pay. This makes the person a slave to the IRS for the rest of their lives. If that is not the definition of ‘excessive fine” I don’t know what is.
Cruel and Unusual Punishment is a subjective standard. Some think the Death Penalty is excessive, some think a prisoner living in better conditions than our military people on a submarine is excessive punishment. There is room to argue on this ‘right’ but no one can honestly believe that an otherwise law abiding citizen should spend 10 years in prison because they forgot they were carrying their licensed firearm when they voluntarily walked into a metal detector at a courthouse or airport. People make mistakes and the law should account for that. The law is supposed to punish intentional violations of the law. Voluntarily walking into a metal detector with a concealed weapon is evidence in itself that the person wasn’t trying to violate the law. In fact, the offence harmed no one at all. No gun went into the facility and the person was not trying to get it passed the detectors. Punishing such an offense with 10 years in prison is quite clearly excessive and unusual.
Ninth Amendment
The government now ignores this one and claims you have no rights (except to an abortion) not enumerated, even though the deny even those explicitly listed.
This single amendment is supposed to be a powerful statement warning the government that people have rights, natural rights that exist NO MATTER WHAT. It is supposed to tell the government that the rights listed are not the complete list and those not listed are just as important and off limits for government control.
Tenth Amendment
99% of the federal government regulates or administers things reserved to the states or the people. The Department of Education, Department of Agriculture, Department of Transportation, FBI, BATF, IRS (do the research, the 16th amendment was NOT ratified by the states), and almost all the rest. Most of these functions were meant to be governed by the States or left to the people. The States were supposed to have very broad limits on what they do, including being able to put limits on some of the rights listed in the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment specifically states “Congress shall make no law…” This does not prohibit the States from regulating Speech, Religion, the press, the right to assemble or petition the government. The 14th Amendment does restrict the States from abridging these rights.
The entire balance of power within the government is out of whack. Each branch of government is both infringing on the powers of the other branches and exceeding their legal constitutional authority.
The Congress now holds "Trials" (Enron). The Senate doesn't advise and consent to Presidential Nominations, it controls them. The constitution says the Senate is to Advise & Consent, not a committee of the senate that doesn’t allow the entire senate to advise & consent.
The Judicial Branch, instead of ruling yes or no on the constitutionality of a law, writes new law in its rulings to clarify poorly written law. Only Congress is authorized to make new law. A struck down law should be void until Congress clarifies or corrects problems, not redefined by the court.
The Executive Branch is bloated with unconstitutional departments and the Executive Order is the equivalent of a king dictating law without the Congress. Only Congress is authorized to make law. The President can veto a law but not create it.
The military is authorized to protect the US and its borders, that doesn't give it authority to police the world or push our beliefs on the rest of the world. The Founding Fathers did not want the US to act imperial. They had just fought against imperialism to win independence. Today, we find our troops all over the world risking their lives for UN mandates and police actions in countries that have no strategic importance to us. Compassion is great but its not legally authorized.
I am not necessarily against many of the functions the federal government has taken up. I am against the method they took them. The Constitution has a clear process to amend it. If you want the federal government to have the power to levy gas taxes and use the money to pay for roads, pass an amendment and get the states to ratify it. If you want the federal government to withhold Social Security Fees from your paycheck to pay you a monthly sum when you retire, pass an amendment. Instead, congress ignored the proper procedure and passed general laws that violate the limits placed on the government. The violated their Oaths of Office, the Constitution and the public trust. When the government doesn’t follow the laws it is bound by or passed itself, the law doesn’t apply to everyone equally, a violation of the 14th Amendment’s “Equal Protection of the Laws.”
CONCLUSION
The United States is not a "Free" country, nor is it governed by "The People." Only when a country founded on laws, follows those laws is it legitimate. All governments will cross the line from time to time and the people and/or laws will reign it back in. The US Government has entirely destroyed the line and the law is not enforced against it. This is defined as a "Police State" anywhere else in the world it occurs. We even send our troops to free people living in such conditions while pretending it's not happening here.
Is it too late? That's a tough one. Elected officials are no longer afraid of the law or the people. The people are uneducated and believe whatever ABC, CBS, NBC tell them.
Elections usually offer two candidates that both will violate their oaths, the Constitution and the public trust to get reelected by those that receive the benefits. They WILL do their duty if threatened with removal from office but the uneducated masses are too distracted by bread & circuses to take such action.
The threat of death or bodily injury is very motivational to do the right thing. Officials have created a security wall between themselves and the people, paid for by the people. They get ever closer to outlawing firearms each year. They eventually hope to eliminate the threat to themselves from the people so they can rule without the people’s consent and without any consequences. A politician that is afraid of the people knows he is not doing his job correctly. When the people are afraid of their government, the government is not being controlled by the people.
I think the gun owners have shown they have more restraint than they are given credit for. If we were the violent threat politicians and gun control groups claim, they would all be in hiding or dead by now. Let a group like the BATF go after abortionist for failure to fill out paperwork or for giving abortions to minors without parental consent and the liberals would be breaking windows and marching on Washington.
We have been too patient. We need to march on Washington and use civil disobedience to reform the government. EVERY major policy shift in government was instituted following a rash of civil disobedience, from equal rights, end of the Vietnam War, to Women's Suffrage.
I don't advocate taking up arms, although it is interesting that the Founding Fathers took up arms against the King for far less than we currently endure. One day, if marches, recalls and civil disobedience do not bring the government back into line with the Constitution, armed conflict will be necessary.
Considering how we lie down when confronted now, afraid to risk our fortunes or our free time, I don't think we have the fortitude to "sacrifice or lives, or families and our fortunes" to restore freedom like the Founding Fathers did. If we continue on our current path, we are not far from complete tyranny without a means to fight back. At that point, you will have nothing left to risk, the government having taken it away, and no way to fight your armed oppressors.
People appear to be waking up, seeing the big picture and getting upset with what they see. The numbers are small now but as each person begins to see and shares it with others, perhaps the tide will turn. It better happen quickly because the government has nearly completed the task of securing the vote of more than 50% of the people by purchasing their votes with tax rebates to people that don’t pay taxes, government programs and other entitlement programs, including Social Security. With the Constitution being ignored and “Majority Rule” as the patriotic slogan, true democracy is here and when they become 50.1%, the rest of us will have no redress, no power and no tools to throw off the chains.
Can we take our country back to the limited Republic, operating within the contractual bounds of the Constitution? Never in the history of the world has a government given up power or increased freedom without an armed insurrection. America is a place of many firsts. Hopefully we can be the first to accomplish a peaceful return to the rule of law, but I am not holding my breath.
Yeah, ok. We agree then.
Just as long as the government stays out of it, of course.
Seventh Amendment
Common Law traditionally requires an injured party and a party that created the injury. One must show in court how another violated his/her rights or deprived him/her of property by damage or theft.
Currently, one can file a civil case against anyone for almost anything, including a recently invented 'right' to not be offended.
In a county with free speech and the right to speak your mind, it is incompatible to recognize a 'right to not be offended.'
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This is almost identical to your 'right to not be sad', is it not CJ?
Could you comment?
Why not just draft everybody?
Citizen-soldiers.
MARCH FOR JUSTICE!
To my knowledge, this is the only “right” enumerated in the Bill of Rights that has not been violated.
I'd bet FEMA has a plan.
Sorry but I'm no longer following you, if I ever was.
Let me know if you wish to clarify in expanded/comprehensible form. Best,
Actually, that is two questions. LOL!
Excellent post. Every man woman and child would be served and perserved it they would study this and keep current on what is happening in government.
Problem is ... even if they did this ... government has become so engorged and enlarged with bureaucracies and the continual escalation of regulations, restrictions, requirements, prohitions (restricted land access, parks) etc., it is such overload everywhere ... how do we start? Where? Starting at the top is not feasible or effective. Setting up an impossible goal.
This thread and the buffonish interruption of the discourse in the attempt to keep it off track, and fragmented by dissenters is always present in any meeting, committee, group effort. Ever been on a school board? Church board? Ciy Council? ... the tyranny of the minority results in our being disenfranchised.... It demonstrates in microcosm the overwhelming difficulty and frustrating clarity of the situation.
We must make changes, as we are on the road to chaos and soon. How?
My answer to the two questions is ...
1. Possibly (we are either right on the edge or it is crumbling under our feet).
2.Yes... if and it is a big if ... we are willing to do what it takes to create changes within the system. Few are and no one can be blamed for wanting to avoid all the possible destructive consequences to their life. We tend to require being dragged kicking and screaming into such a situation.
Can we survive Hey that's a third question.
3.As a nation and form of government .... YES. as we are now? Not likely. Ahh... therein lies the rub.
"Bad men cannot make good citizens.
It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.
A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.
No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people
but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality,
and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
-Patrick Henry ,
Patrick Henry foresaw the reason for the anti-religion agenda of the proto-fascist L.P.
You may be right. I have been expecting it for 30 years now, it just has not happened yet. I hope it doesn't, but I am not optimistic about it either.
What scary bogeymen must haunt the cobwebs of your mind....
Well, it started way before 1860. All the Confederate States wanted was the Constitution of their Fathers.
Our Constitution is not a mere temporary expedient. It exists in full force until changed by an explicit and authentic act, as prescribed by the instrument, and in its essential features is for all time, for it contains the fundamental principles of all good government, of all free representative institutions.
Among these requisites, unalterable by changing conditions of society, are individual liberty, freedom of labor, of human development, rights of conscience, equality of the States, distribution of political powers into independent executive, legislative and judicial departments, and a careful restriction of those powers to public uses only, the healthy action of concurrent majorities, a careful safe-guarding that the power which makes the laws and the power which applies them shall not be in the same hands, and local self-government.
The people are ultimately the source of all political power, and the powers delegated are in trust, alterable or terminable only in a legitimate and prescribed manner.
Changes cannot be made to conform to a supposed moral sense, or to new environments, neither by the "fierce democracy," nor by the action of a department, nor by a combination of all departments.
You guys!!!
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