Tyranny: The Threshold Has Already Been Crossed

Keep and Bear Arms ^ | 25 March 2002 | Jerry Jones

[Dr. Frank fan]

["unskilled" shooters should take classes] That's a start. Maybe then, EVERYONE will get out alive. A life is a terrible thing to lose.

Yeah, ok. We agree then.

Just as long as the government stays out of it, of course.

[tpaine]

Hey jihad, -- did you even read the article? This part in particular is right up your ally:

Seventh Amendment

Common Law traditionally requires an injured party and a party that created the injury. One must show in court how another violated his/her rights or deprived him/her of property by damage or theft.

Currently, one can file a civil case against anyone for almost anything, including a recently invented 'right' to not be offended.
In a county with free speech and the right to speak your mind, it is incompatible to recognize a 'right to not be offended.'

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This is almost identical to your 'right to not be sad', is it not CJ?

Could you comment?

[alcuin]

Just as long as the government stays out of it, of course.

Why not just draft everybody?

Citizen-soldiers.

MARCH FOR JUSTICE!

[copycat]

mark

[kitchen]

Third Amendment

To my knowledge, this is the only “right” enumerated in the Bill of Rights that has not been violated.

I'd bet FEMA has a plan.

[Dr. Frank fan]

[government should obey 2nd amendment] Why not just draft everybody? Citizen-soldiers. MARCH FOR JUSTICE!

Sorry but I'm no longer following you, if I ever was.

Let me know if you wish to clarify in expanded/comprehensible form. Best,

[jammer]

Of course, that WAS the way it started out being. But that, nevertheless, was not envisioned by the Founders as constraining the states with the federal Constitution. Until 1865, the Constitution was seen as enumerating the rights of (and withholding all others from) the federal government only.

[Countyline]

"Interesting commentary. One question: Is it too late for the Republic and for Constitutional advocates? Can we prevail and can the nation survive?"

Actually, that is two questions. LOL!

Excellent post. Every man woman and child would be served and perserved it they would study this and keep current on what is happening in government.

Problem is ... even if they did this ... government has become so engorged and enlarged with bureaucracies and the continual escalation of regulations, restrictions, requirements, prohitions (restricted land access, parks) etc., it is such overload everywhere ... how do we start? Where? Starting at the top is not feasible or effective. Setting up an impossible goal.

This thread and the buffonish interruption of the discourse in the attempt to keep it off track, and fragmented by dissenters is always present in any meeting, committee, group effort. Ever been on a school board? Church board? Ciy Council? ... the tyranny of the minority results in our being disenfranchised.... It demonstrates in microcosm the overwhelming difficulty and frustrating clarity of the situation.

We must make changes, as we are on the road to chaos and soon. How?

My answer to the two questions is ...
1. Possibly (we are either right on the edge or it is crumbling under our feet).
2.Yes... if and it is a big if ... we are willing to do what it takes to create changes within the system. Few are and no one can be blamed for wanting to avoid all the possible destructive consequences to their life. We tend to require being dragged kicking and screaming into such a situation.
Can we survive Hey that's a third question.
3.As a nation and form of government .... YES. as we are now? Not likely. Ahh... therein lies the rub.

[TBP]

Bumpety-bump.

[Countyline]

"Bad men cannot make good citizens.
It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.
A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.
No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people
but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality,
and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
-Patrick Henry ,

[Cultural Jihad]

"Bad men cannot make good citizens.
It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.
A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.
No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people
but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality,
and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
-Patrick Henry ,

Patrick Henry foresaw the reason for the anti-religion agenda of the proto-fascist L.P.

[Mark17]

I'll second that. I'm 22 years old and I firmly beleive it will come to a shooting war over the constution in my lifetime.

You may be right. I have been expecting it for 30 years now, it just has not happened yet. I hope it doesn't, but I am not optimistic about it either.

[toenail]

"Patrick Henry foresaw the reason for the anti-religion agenda of the proto-fascist L.P."

What scary bogeymen must haunt the cobwebs of your mind....

[SCDogPapa]

Of course, that WAS the way it started out being. But that, nevertheless, was not envisioned by the Founders as constraining the states with the federal Constitution. Until 1865, the Constitution was seen as enumerating the rights of (and withholding all others from) the federal government only.

Well, it started way before 1860. All the Confederate States wanted was the Constitution of their Fathers.

Our Constitution is not a mere temporary expedient. It exists in full force until changed by an explicit and authentic act, as prescribed by the instrument, and in its essential features is for all time, for it contains the fundamental principles of all good government, of all free representative institutions.

Among these requisites, unalterable by changing conditions of society, are individual liberty, freedom of labor, of human development, rights of conscience, equality of the States, distribution of political powers into independent executive, legislative and judicial departments, and a careful restriction of those powers to public uses only, the healthy action of concurrent majorities, a careful safe-guarding that the power which makes the laws and the power which applies them shall not be in the same hands, and local self-government.

The people are ultimately the source of all political power, and the powers delegated are in trust, alterable or terminable only in a legitimate and prescribed manner.

Changes cannot be made to conform to a supposed moral sense, or to new environments, neither by the "fierce democracy," nor by the action of a department, nor by a combination of all departments.

[alcuin]

It was a joke.

You guys!!!