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Why Should Christians Keep the Passover?
Good News Magazine ^ | March 1998 | Allen Stout

Posted on 03/25/2002 6:35:28 AM PST by DouglasKC

Why Should Christians Keep the Passover?

Do you really know why Jesus had to suffer and die? What should the Passover mean for Christians today?

by Allen Stout

Only 3 1/2 years after He began His ministry, Jesus of Nazareth was apprehended by the religious authorities at the time of the Passover feast (Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1). After a brief trial-while mocking Him, spitting on Him and beating Him-they took Him before the Roman authorities and accused Him of "perverting the nation, . . . saying that He Himself is Christ, a King" (Luke 23:2; Matthew 26:59-68).

Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor in Jerusalem, after analyzing the charges, declared to the chief priests and the others present: "You have brought this Man to me, as one who misleads the people. And indeed, having examined Him in your presence, I have found no fault in this Man . . .; no, neither did Herod . . . I will therefore chastise Him and release Him" (Luke 23:14-16).

But the people would have none of it. They cried out, "Away with this Man, and release to us Barabbas [a murderer]" (verse 18).

Pilate found himself in a difficult position. Wanting to release a man he knew to be innocent, he urged Jesus' captors to reconsider. He was answered with angry shouts of "Crucify Him, crucify Him!" (verse 21).

Pilate tried to reason with the crowd. "Why, what evil has He done?" he asked. But the mob was insistent, demanding that Jesus be put to death. The priests and the crowd prevailed. The Roman governor freed a murderer and sentenced an innocent man to death (verses 19-25).

Jesus was mercilessly beaten and scourged by the Roman soldiers and subjected to a horrible death.

But why? Why did Jesus Christ have to die?

Meaning of the Passover

Many Christians have been taught that the Passover is an outdated "Jewish" observance done away with at Jesus' death and replaced by Easter, the commemoration of His resurrection.

But why did Jesus Christ keep the Passover? Is there a connection between the Passover and Christ's death? What does the Bible teach us about this most important observance kept by Jesus and the apostles?

In ancient Israel the first Passover was a time of deliverance, the rescuing of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. The blood of the Passover lamb was smeared on the doorposts of the residences of those Israelites who put their trust in God, and He promised to deliver them from harm (Exodus 12:13, 23). The Israelites were spared while the firstborn of the Egyptians were slain.

God ordained the Passover as a commanded feast: "So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance" (verse 14).

Much later, during the time of Christ, the observance of the New Testament Passover was revealed as the first step toward salvation. It reminds Christians not only of how God delivered ancient Israel out of Egypt, but, more important, of our deliverance out of sin today. "We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin" (Romans 6:6, New Revised Standard Version, emphasis added throughout).

The Passover is the first of the annual festivals commanded by God (Leviticus 23:5). Jesus knew this and kept the Passover with His disciples (Luke 22), showing that this is not a command to be taken lightly.

During His final Passover with His disciples, Jesus Christ introduced new symbols, which commemorate Him as "our Passover, [who] was sacrificed for us" (1 Corinthians 5:7). Jesus said, after He had broken the unleavened bread and given it to His disciples, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me" (Luke 22:19).

The Passover is an annual reminder that, through Christ's sacrifice, we have been set free from slavery to sin so we can serve God in righteousness (Romans 6:1-22).

Sacrifice for sin

But why was Jesus sacrificed for us?

All human beings are in slavery to corruption and death caused by sin (Romans 6:16; 8:21; Hebrews 2:14-15), "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). And the Bible says, "the soul who sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4, 20).

What frees us from this bondage to sin? The sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God! God the Father willingly gave up His firstborn Son, and Jesus willingly poured out His life's blood.

Why? Why couldn't God just forgive our sins without a sacri- fice? Why did Jesus Christ have to suffer and die for our sins (Philippians 2:8)?

The truth is that there is no other way to save humanity from the consequences of sin!

God will not compromise with His perfect law (Matthew 5:17-20; 19:17; Psalm 19:7). All of God's commands are summed up in the law of love: "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind," and "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:36-40).

As the apostle Paul wrote, "Love is the fulfillment of the law" (Romans 13:10). God's law would, if observed, produce and maintain a peaceful, abundant and joyful society (Deuteronomy 4:5-8; 6:1-2; 28:1-14; Galatians 3:21). Tragically, no human (other than Jesus Christ) has kept God's law perfectly. All have broken it by sinning (1 John 3:4).

The Bible likens sin to leaven: If sin is not removed, it grows and spreads (1 Corinthians 5:6). The whole world suffers the curse of sin. Wars, famine, disease, oppression, crime, poverty, family problems, emotional disturbances and every type of evil result from sin, the breaking of God's law (Leviticus 26:14-39; Deuteronomy 28:15-68).

The ultimate result of sin is death. "For the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23), just as God in His love warned the first man, Adam (Genesis 2:17).

Why Christ's sacrifice was necessary

God's way of redeeming humanity-all of us-from the death penalty without compromising His perfect law is for the penalty to be paid in our place by the Son of God.

Why? Because "truly, no ransom avails for one's life, there is no price one can give to God for it. For the ransom of life is costly, and can never suffice that one should live on forever and never see the grave" (Psalm 49:7-9, NRSV). And that applies to us all, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:10, 12, 23).

Our partaking of-participating in-Christ's sacrifice makes possible our reconciliation to God, setting us on the road to eternal life. ". . . God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us . . . When we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, . . . through whom we have now received the reconciliation" (Romans 5:8, 10-11).

Our sins separated us from God, because through sin we lived hostile to God and His ways (Isaiah 59:1-2; Romans 3:10-12; 8:7). As sinners we had the death penalty hanging over us. We fell under that penalty for breaking God's law (Romans 3:9, 19-20).

But, because Jesus Christ's sacrifice paid the death penalty for our sins, God "passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate . . . His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus" (verses 24-26).

Except for Jesus Christ, no man or woman has ever lived without sinning. But notice these encouraging words in the Bible: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

We read that the wages of sin is death, "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23, King James Version).

What must we do?

Does Jesus Christ's death, then, save us? Let's see what the Word of God-the Bible-says.

If Jesus paid the penalty for our sin by His crucifixion, what must we do to receive God's gift of eternal life? Notice Acts 2:38: "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission [forgiveness] of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Though "while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8), His sacrifice does not redeem us from the death penalty until we have repented of breaking God's law, turned from sin and accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Master. Then what happens?

Notice Romans 8:1: "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the [lusts of the] flesh, but according to the Spirit."

We no longer seek to go our own way, but are led by the Spirit of God (verses 2-16; 1 Corinthians 2:10-16), building our relationship with God and Christ through prayer and study of God's Word (Ephesians 6:18; 2 Timothy 2:15).

When we embark on this new way of life, following Christ's example as shown in the Bible, we are then saved by His life in us (Romans 5:10; Galatians 2:20). Gradually God begins to write His law of love (Romans 13:8-10) in our hearts and minds (Hebrews 10:16). We become transformed by taking on the thoughts of God (Romans 12:2; Philippians 2:5).

With the help of God's Spirit we can obey God's law, submit to Him and overcome sin. Sin is no longer in control over us. We become servants of God rather than the servants of sin (Romans 6:12-16). Keeping the Passover brings these great truths into sharp focus.

Will we follow Jesus' example?

Jesus Christ observed the Passover. The Bible makes this clear in many passages (Matthew 26:2, 17-19; Luke 2:41-42; 22:1, 7-20; John 2:13, 23; 13:1-30; 1 Corinthians 11:23-29). His words and actions at His last Passover provide us profound lessons about our relationships with Him and our fellow human beings.

"Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed" (Luke 22:7). According to God's instructions, a new day begins with the evening (Genesis 1:5), not at midnight.

Jesus Christ and His disciples assembled that evening in a large upper room. "And supper being ended . . . [Jesus] rose from supper and laid aside His garments, and took a towel . . . and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel . . ." (John 13:2, 4-5).

Assuming the role of a servant, Jesus washed His disciples' feet and said to them: "If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you . . . If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them" (John 13:14-15, 17).

Jesus carried out this humble act of service to show His disciples that His true followers must be led by a giving, serving attitude. He tells us all by implication to follow His example (see "A Lesson for All Time," p. E4).

On that same evening Jesus "took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, 'This is [or 'means,' James Moffatt Translation; i.e., 'represents'] My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me'" (Luke 22:19).

He also "took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, 'Drink from it, all of you. For this is [represents] My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins'" (Matthew 26:27-28).

A lasting memorial

The Bible makes it clear that all who will follow Christ should observe this New Testament Passover in remembrance of His love and sacrifice for our sins and as a reminder of our commitment to Him for what God has done in our lives (1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Luke 22:19; 14:21-24).

We are to avoid observing the Passover in an "unworthy" manner, as Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes. Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord" (1 Corinthians 11:26-27).

Many readers of this scripture have not comprehended the significance of Paul's warning. Some, incorrectly feeling they were not worthy of Christ's sacrifice, have elected not to take the Passover. Others have taken the Passover in attitudes ranging from casual to ritualistic to superstitious. Nothing is magical about the unleavened bread and the wine Jesus used; they were simply symbols to remind us of His sacrifice for our sin.

Self-examination necessary

We are to take the Passover in a worthy manner, but what exactly does that mean?

Paul warned, "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup" (1 Corinthians 11:28).

In a later letter, Paul wrote: "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Corinthians 13:5, KJV).

We are to examine our own hearts before we take the Passover symbols of bread and wine. We are to ask ourselves some searching questions about our intentions toward God and our fellow human beings. Do we show humility and service to others? Do we honor God in our everyday lives?

Just what should your attitude be toward the world, toward God and His laws and toward others? "Do not love the world or the things of the world," the apostle John wrote. "If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever" (1 John 2:15-17).

As long as we live in "this present evil world" (Galatians 1:4, KJV), which is under Satan's influence (Ephesians 2:1-3), we will be tempted to break God's law. We are tempted through our own desires (James 1:14) to cheat, lie, boast, swear, gossip, hate, commit adultery and put other things before God (Matthew 5:27-28; Galatians 5:19-21).

Each of us, even though called, repentant and forgiven, will fall down and sin. But, as long as we are genuinely repentant, striving to overcome sin, "we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1).

And, "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9). God forgives and accepts us, applying Jesus' sacrifice, as long as we allow God to lead us (Ephesians 2:8).

No one is worthy of Christ's sacrifice on his own merit. But that is not what Paul is discussing. Not taking the Passover is choosing to disregard Christ's instructions and example. Taking the Passover in an unworthy manner is choosing to take it with little or no respect for Christ's sacrifice, showing indifference to the importance of His death as payment for our sins.

"For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world" (1 Corinthians 11:29-32).

If we take the Passover while reverently respecting and appreciating the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, we not only won't be condemned, but we will be on our way to salvation.

Observing the Passover in its New Testament context, and obeying God's Word in respect to His Holy Days, gives understanding of God's great plan for humanity. We are to strive to obey God in all things (Matthew 4:4), a truth that is summed up in the two great commandments-love toward God and love toward our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40).



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To: DouglasKC
>By the way I love your profile page, very interesting. I've done some limited study on the lost tribes and from what you've posted it seems right on.

Thank You! The Israelite population numbers, while not at all new, become very dramatic when posted against global population numbers as I have done. It demonstrates that the Israelites were indeed a HUGE population, not one to easily get lost in the woods. {ggg}.

> I did a search on Scythian artwork once and most art experts think that recovered Scythian art shows a "strong connection with Celtic...and Anglo-Saxon art.." which to me affirms that assertation that the Scytians and others may have been part of the lost tribes.

IMHO the major fault with past (and many current) writers on The Celts is that they miss the forest for the trees. They concentrate on individual tribes, and fail to see their common ancestry. Much of the history of Europe is Celts fighting Celts, all with a common heritage.

>Checkout this page for a brief outline of Scythian art.

Thank You. It's a fascinating site, and I have bookmarked it.

61 posted on 03/26/2002 10:12:50 AM PST by LostTribe
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To: DouglasKC
>Tragically, no human (other than Jesus Christ) has kept God's law perfectly. All have broken it by sinning (1 John 3:4).

Well, look at this:

Luke 1:5-6 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

What do you think that means? Remember too the N.T. doctrine of perfection, which so many also deny these days.

62 posted on 03/27/2002 3:27:45 AM PST by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Luke 1:5-6 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
What do you think that means? Remember too the N.T. doctrine of perfection, which so many also deny these days.

I think they were blameless, but not sinless. If they were sinless the greek word "anamartetos", which means "without sin" would have been used. Instead the greek word "amemptos" was used, which indicates that they were something less than sinless... :-)

63 posted on 03/27/2002 4:17:56 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: muggs;chili girl;jhavard;climo mike;mombonn;vmatt;johnnym;Simcha7; Thinkin' Gal; 2sheep;L,TOWM...
I thought you guys might be interested in an update to this. Last night I participated in my first Passover service with my fellow church members.

The pastor started by reading the appropriate verses in the New Testament that describe the events of the last supper. Everyone had brought a small wash basin and towel with them and we split up into two groups, male and female. The males went to one section of the building and the females to another. We filled our basin s with (warm) water and then split into pairs and washed each others feet, a practice that Christ instructs all his disciples to perform on each other:

Joh 13:14 If then I, the Lord and the Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.

I have to say that this is a very humbling, but holy experience. One can't be proudful or arrogant and do this...which of course was probably part of the intent.

After this we returned to the pews. One of the elders took a piece of unleavened bread and broke it into small pieces, thus equating it with the broken and battered body of Christ on the cross.

Luke 22:19 And He took bread and gave thanks, and He broke it and gave it to them, saying, This is My body which is given for you, this do in remembrance of Me.

The piece of bread were then passed among the congregation and we each ate a small piece.

Next tiny glasses of wine were passed out to the congregation. We each drank, remembering the words of Christ:

1Co 11:25 In the same way He took the cup also, after supping, saying, "This cup is the New Covenant in My blood; as often as you drink it, do this in remembrance of Me."

All in all it was very moving experience that I wished to share with you all.

64 posted on 03/27/2002 4:41:50 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Campion; DouglasKC; JohnnyM
Genesis 19
1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Rashi notes they had a 'feast' with unleavened bread because it was Pesach! [Passover]

Excerpt:

Already four hundred years BEFORE the Exodus, Pesach (Passover) was celebrated in the city of Sdom! According to Rashi (Br. 19:3), Lot baked matzot, because his guests arrived on Pesach. At first glance, this statement seems rather absurd, for what possible meaning could there be in commemorating an event which had not yet taken place! In this week's shiur, while discussing the purpose and significance of the Korban Pesach, we will uncover the fundamental biblical theme of "Yom Hashem". This theme will help us understand the relationship between the destruction of Sdom and the process of Yetziat Mitzraim.

Good article at!
http://www.vbm-torah.org/pesach/bo-56.htm

Notice!
The only people who escaped the destruction of Sodom were observing Pesach!

65 posted on 03/27/2002 5:37:42 AM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Already four hundred years BEFORE the Exodus, Pesach (Passover) was celebrated in the city of Sdom! According to Rashi (Br. 19:3), Lot baked matzot,

Wow...this is why I love freerepublic, I learn something everyday. That's some fascinating information, am looking forward to reading the link you provided...thanks!

66 posted on 03/27/2002 5:44:52 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I agree with you...experiencing this kind of service is *very* moving. I look forward to my next Messianic Passover. :o)
67 posted on 03/27/2002 6:56:40 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: DouglasKC
The washing of feet is pretty humbling for both the washer and the washee. I am blessed to be a small group leader at my church; my wife and I will usually wash the feet of our "sheep" annually. It is a great way to remind yourself of the Servant Leader model exemplified by Jesus.
68 posted on 03/27/2002 7:12:49 AM PST by L,TOWM
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To: DouglasKC
All in all it was very moving experience that I wished to share with you all.

I know you mean well but these are not things we who would come two thousand years later were instructed to follow but customs of their time just as greeting one another with a holy kiss. If you feel strongly about this, would you be kind enough to provide proof that this is what God would have us do today?

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

69 posted on 03/27/2002 7:23:54 AM PST by vmatt
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To: DouglasKC

History of Design: The flag of The State of Israel includes two blue stripes on white background with a Shield (Star) of David (in Hebrew: Magen David) in the center. This design was first displayed in Rishon-LeZion in 1885 and was also used at the First Zionist Congress in 1897 (Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1971). It was inspired by the tallit (the prayer shawl with blue stripes worn by Jews during prayer) as a symbol. The Star of David is a common symbol of the People of Israel from Biblical times. The flag was adopted officially on October 28, 1948 (25 Tishre, 5709) by the Speaker of the Provisional Council of State.


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The Magen David is a symbol of the two blood covenants!

When the Hebrews placed the blood of the paschal lamb on the side posts and lintel it formed a triangle pointing up to G-d. When Yeshua hung on the cross He formed a triangle pointing from G-d to man!

Psalm 118:23 This is the LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

70 posted on 03/27/2002 7:37:51 AM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Jeremiah Jr
>The Star of David is a common symbol of the People of Israel from Biblical times.

Do you know when the symbol was first used? Presumeably no earlier than Davids time.

71 posted on 03/27/2002 8:34:55 AM PST by LostTribe
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To: DouglasKC
"The pastor started by reading the appropriate verses in the New Testament that describe the events of the last supper. Everyone had brought a small wash basin and towel with them and we split up into two groups, male and female. The males went to one section of the building and the females to another. We filled our basin s with (warm) water and then split into pairs and washed each others feet, a practice that Christ instructs all his disciples to perform on each other:"

Don't you understand the signifigance of the washing of the feet at the Last Supper dealt with the Spiritual aspect of our lives.

Listen to the words of Christ when He is performing this act:

John 13:6-10
6 He came to Simon Peter; and Peter said to him, "Lord, do you wash my feet?"
7 Jesus answered him, "What I am doing you do not know now, but afterward you will understand."
8 Peter said to him, "You shall never wash my feet." Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part in me."
9 Simon Peter said to him, "Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!"
10 Jesus said to him, "He who has bathed does not need to wash, except for his feet, but he is clean all over; and you are clean, but not every one of you."

Clearly, Christ is speaking of their spiritual cleanliness. He said they are all clean, but one, and that one was Judas. The dirty feet represented the dirt and stain of the world on their Spiritual lives. As Christians, as we go out into the world, we get dirty with the sin and garbage of the world and we need to be washed by our fellow brothers and sisters. Christ is showing us through this humble act of washing His disciples feet, how we as Christians should uplift and wash the spiritual feet of our brethern when they have the stink and dirt of the world on them. There have been countless times where I have had the dirt of the world on me and I felt down or yucky and a brother or sister has lifted me up through song, through a good word, or through worship and my spirits were lifted. If you only see this act as a literal washing of the feet, you fail to grasp the true signifigance of it.

JM
72 posted on 03/27/2002 9:02:38 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: vmatt
I know you mean well but these are not things we who would come two thousand years later were instructed to follow but customs of their time just as greeting one another with a holy kiss. If you feel strongly about this, would you be kind enough to provide proof that this is what God would have us do today?

LOL...Jesus commanded these things vmatt, so I'm going to do them!

73 posted on 03/27/2002 9:13:13 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: JohnnyM
. There have been countless times where I have had the dirt of the world on me and I felt down or yucky and a brother or sister has lifted me up through song, through a good word, or through worship and my spirits were lifted. If you only see this act as a literal washing of the feet, you fail to grasp the true signifigance of it.

You're right, I should have expanded on the spiritual significance of the ceremony. Our pastor last night expounded on it quite a bit and my reading on the ceremony touched quite heavily and I'm sorry for ommiting it from my description of events last night. Ditton with the bread and wine.

That being said, there is something to be said also for the physically performing the acts that Jesus commanded. If he wished us to only learn spiritual lessons, he would have only taught by spiritual example. My belief is that since we are still in fleshly bodies, we still need fleshly and spiritual teachings.

74 posted on 03/27/2002 9:17:30 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
LOL...Jesus commanded these things vmatt, so I'm going to do them!

That's fine, all I ask is for proof Jesus commanded that you, today, do these things. Being as how you have engaged and extolled others regarding these rituals, you must already have proved to yourself they are truth. That proof is all I ask. Thanks.

75 posted on 03/27/2002 9:17:59 AM PST by vmatt
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To: vmatt
LOL...Jesus commanded these things vmatt, so I'm going to do them!
That's fine, all I ask is for proof Jesus commanded that you, today, do these things. Being as how you have engaged and extolled others regarding these rituals, you must already have proved to yourself they are truth. That proof is all I ask.

Joh 13:14 If then I, the Lord and the Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.

Luke 22:19 And He took bread and gave thanks, and He broke it and gave it to them, saying, This is My body which is given for you, this do in remembrance of Me.

1Co 11:25 In the same way He took the cup also, after supping, saying, "This cup is the New Covenant in My blood; as often as you drink it, do this in remembrance of Me." Thanks.

76 posted on 03/27/2002 10:22:47 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
All the verses you present are to his disciples, not us today. Jesus took several of the customs of the day and used them to teach many lessons and we are to take the lessons, not the rituals themselves. These people really needed to have their feet washed, unlike today. It was considered a welcoming custom. These people already ate the passover and it was a meal to satisfy hunger, not us today. These people really did kiss each other but we don't. A "holy handshake" would be the modern equivalent custom and the true meaning would be consistent. You are taking these valuable lessons and turning them back into rituals. There were no "foot washings" in the early church.

Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

77 posted on 03/27/2002 10:43:25 AM PST by vmatt
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All the verses you present are to his disciples, not us today. Jesus took several of the customs of the day and used them to teach many lessons and we are to take the lessons, not the rituals themselves. These people really needed to have their feet washed, unlike today. It was considered a welcoming custom. These people already ate the passover and it was a meal to satisfy hunger, not us today. These people really did kiss each other but we don't. A "holy handshake" would be the modern equivalent custom and the true meaning would be consistent. You are taking these valuable lessons and turning them back into rituals. There were no "foot washings" in the early church.

I'm not of the opinion that the words of Jesus were preserved for thousands of years just because they wanted to tell a nice little story. If we are Christian, then we are a disciple of Christ and should do what he tells us to do. That was the mission of the early church, to make disciples of all nations.

Footwashing certainly existed, but it was normally done by servants to guests. By doing this and setting is as an example, Christ shows us that service to our fellows is something to be emulated and desired. By actually performing what he commanded, we learn spiritual lessons of humility and service through this physical act of washing.

78 posted on 03/27/2002 10:59:54 AM PST by DouglasKC
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Footwashing certainly existed, but it was normally done by servants to guests. By doing this and setting is as an example, Christ shows us that service to our fellows is something to be emulated and desired. By actually performing what he commanded, we learn spiritual lessons of humility and service through this physical act of washing.

I know you understand the significance of what Jesus was teaching his disciples because you describe exactly what was being taught, "shows us that service to our fellows is something to be emulated and desired." So in every small custom we have, opening the door for someone, allowing someone out in traffic can emulate this spirit correct? Take a "holy kiss" for instance. We greet each other with a handshake so if a saint enters your house or place of worship and you greet them with a "holy handshake" in sincerity and love you fulfill the same lesson, all that has changed is the ritual itself because it doesn't matter. Part of the lesson is that in every little thing you do even down to a simple handshake, do it with love sincerity and service, without respect of persons. These things we should do, not reach back to ancient customs of another time and copy their rituals as though Christ would be pleased.

79 posted on 03/27/2002 11:17:17 AM PST by vmatt
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Part of the lesson is that in every little thing you do even down to a simple handshake, do it with love sincerity and service, without respect of persons. These things we should do, not reach back to ancient customs of another time and copy their rituals as though Christ would be pleased.

Well I guess we'll just have to disagree then. I happen to think it wouldn't be preserved for future disciples unless Christ wanted us to do what he commanded.

80 posted on 03/27/2002 11:23:21 AM PST by DouglasKC
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