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Posted on 03/24/2002 10:42:47 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

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To: Howlin

Shiites mark Ashoura with blood and denunciations

(April 5, 2001)

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A Shiite Muslim woman holds her child with a cut forehead during the annual ritual to mark "Ashoura," in the southern market town of Nabatiyeh, Lebanon, Wednesday. People mark the occasion of Ashoura by taking their children to a barber who ritually slas hes the children's forehead with a razor. The blood is spread by hitting the wound. The knife shown was not used to cut the child; its use is symbolic.

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) -- Black-clad Shiite Muslims slashed their heads with blades and beat their chests Wednesday in an annual ritual to mourn a revered saint who died 14 centuries ago. Some vented anger at Israel and the United States.

Hundreds of thousands of Shiites in south Beirut as well as southern and eastern Lebanon marked the occasion known as Ashoura with marches and re-enactments of the 680 A.D. battle in which Imam Hussein was killed.

In Bahrain, where Shiites form a slight majority of the Persian Gulf state's 400,000 citizens, religious songs eulogizing Hussein were broadcast on loudspeakers as thousands of black-clad men marched down the streets, beating their chests and whipping th eir backs with chains.

By far, the biggest procession was in south Beirut, the Shiite-inhabited suburbs of the Lebanese capital where Hezbollah has its strongholds. An estimated 300,000 barefoot, black-clad followers-- women, men and children -- marched behind Hezbollah's yellow flags and beat their chest in rhythm. Inflicting self-wounds, however, was forbidden by Hezbollah.

It was also an occasion for Hezbollah to push its own policies.

"Our enemies forever: America and Israel," read a banner in the procession, as participants shouted through loudspeakers "Death to Israel."

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41 posted on 03/24/2002 2:19:11 PM PST by Sandy
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To: Sandy
Thank you very much for the information. I honestly TRY to be "worldly" and keep an open mind, but apparently I'm not succeeding at it.

By any chance, doyou know if this associated with the self-flagellation that I believe I remember from the Iranian hostage crisis?

42 posted on 03/24/2002 2:22:57 PM PST by Howlin
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Blood Flows in Commemoration of Imam Hussayn

By Kim Ghattas

NABATIYYEH, Lebanon, Apr 4 (IPS) - Dressed in black, with white cloths around their shoulders, thousands of the faithful jogged around the main square of the southern Lebanese town of Nabatiyyeh Wednesday, slapping their chests rhythmically and chanting 'Haidar, Haidar'.

Most of them had slashed their foreheads with blades and were beating the wound to make the blood splash about.

The rather gruesome spectacle takes place every year as Muslim Shiites commemorate Ashoura, which in Arabic stands for the tenth day of the month of Moharram, according to the Islamic calendar.

On that day in 680 AD, Hussayn, the grandson of the prophet Mohammed, was killed in Kerbala in what is today Iraq, after he rebelled against the established Sunni Muslim authority. This is where Shiites acquired their tradition for martyrdom and resistance. It was also then that the schism in Islam occurred between Sunnis and Shiites.

"Ashoura represents this everlasting revolution of the oppressed and the doomed against the oppressors, against the injustices of the world," says Ibrahim Moussawi, a Shiite academic.

Today Shiites repent for not having been able to save Hussayn more than 1,000 years ago and their commemoration is sometimes compared to the crucifixions that take place on Good Friday in some Christian communities, such as in the Philippines.

The tradition of cutting one's forehead and letting the blood flow is said to be a re-enactment of what Hussayn's sister, Zeinab, did on hearing the news of her brother's death. She is said to have beat her head against a door and called out in despair for her father, Haidar.

But today, not everybody agrees that the bloodletting during Ashoura is a good idea.

"I believe this has nothing to do with religious teachings, it's just a tradition that has been followed around the world," said Moussawi.

"Many clerics have issued fatwas saying this is 'haram', that it's not allowed by religion. If you want to show how dedicated you are to Imam Hussayn and you want to sacrifice your blood, then donate it to blood banks," he added.

Both Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, and Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, secretary-general of the Islamic organisation Hizbollah, have declared they are against the bloodletting. For the past three years, Hizbollah has been trying to encourage participants to adopt blood donation as part of the commemoration and the organisation sets up tents for blood donations near the main square.

In 1999, only 200 donors turned up, but as the awareness about the possible health hazards involved in the unrestricted bloodletting increases, so does the number of donors. This year there were more than 600.

"We worry about the spread of infectious diseases, like hepatitis and AIDS, as participants are very close to each other and often use the same blade to cut their heads," said Dr Ahmed Kahil, from the Nabattiyeh al Janoub hospital, which is run by Hizbollah.

He says there are around 35 cases a year of infections, mainly hepatitis and inflammations.

"Also, we believe that it gives a very backward image of Islam and we have to move away from that," he added.

But traditions die hard here. Different Shiite communities follow different religious teachers and not all of them have banned self- flagellation. Young men often grow up in households where it has been practised for decades and they continue the tradition starting from a young age. As they grow up they sometimes succumb to peer pressure or do it just for show.

Next to the two tents for blood donations at Wednesday's Ashoura commemorations, there were at least another 15 tents manned by paramedics where dozens of fainting young men were brought in for care.

The more pleasant aspect of the commemoration is the two-hour long play that re-enacts the battle of Kerbala. Hundreds of people gather around the football stadium where the play is held and those who cannot get close enough often stand on balconies of nearby buildings. Actors on horses and camels first parade through the town in a procession, before taking their places in the stadium to re-enact the battle.

Hani Hammoud, a young bank employee who lives in Beirut, comes to Nabatiyyeh every year to watch the play, but does not take part in the bloody commemoration.

"I don't feel I need to do this to remember Imam Hussayn. I can do it by following his teachings and values and refusing oppression," he says.

As he speaks, the fervour of the participants in the self- flagellation ceremony intensifies, and so does their chanting. The play is nearing the climax when Hussayn gets killed and as it comes to an end the lamenting reaches fever pitch.

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43 posted on 03/24/2002 2:27:05 PM PST by Sandy
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To: Howlin
I don't know. This is the first I've heard of this stuff. I just pulled the info from Google. Freakin nuts.
44 posted on 03/24/2002 2:29:28 PM PST by Sandy
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To: InvisibleChurch
,,, a battle fought in 680AD occasions the acceptance of child abuse? What's wrong with a national holiday, a BBQ and a few beers? Let's hope the knives used in this bizarre practice carry hepatitis or something that wipes them all out.
45 posted on 03/24/2002 2:30:03 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Sandy
Well, your article got my curiosity up. I'm reading on Google now; YIKES! I suspect the reason the pictures of his face are blank is because he was beheaded?????

Ashura

46 posted on 03/24/2002 2:35:05 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I'm thinking I need the Cliff Notes for Islam, so I can differentiate all these different "groups/sects" and their beliefs.
47 posted on 03/24/2002 2:38:14 PM PST by Howlin
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To: NeoCrusade
ahh, it only took 23 replies before someone mentioned the forskin!

when Jews or Christians do it, it's not "genital mutilation"...

48 posted on 03/24/2002 2:39:38 PM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: Caligirl for Bush
Yeah, I am pretty sure they are exactly what they appear to be. They sure do walk and talk like a duck. I can't believe they think they are worshipping the God of Abraham.
50 posted on 03/24/2002 2:55:10 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: kcvl
Check this out!
51 posted on 03/24/2002 2:59:20 PM PST by Howlin
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To: NeoCrusade
The requirement for circumsission ended with the ressurection of Christ. Later doctors promoted the idea to mother's as a means to prevent infections. But there is no requirement in the Christian religion for circumsission.
52 posted on 03/24/2002 3:00:59 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Jonathon Spectre
Actually It's ma'am. :-) But that "Peaceful Religion" sure doesn't value its children. The more I read, the less I like anything Islamic.
53 posted on 03/24/2002 3:04:07 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: InvisibleChurch
What makes this any more obnoxious than the Roman Catholics who have themselves crucified! This is a sacremental remembrance of the death of the revered Imam Husayn.
54 posted on 03/24/2002 3:29:50 PM PST by reg45
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To: Benson_Carter
ahh, it only took 23 replies before someone mentioned the forskin! when Jews or Christians do it, it's not "genital mutilation"...

Muslims do it too.

But "it" really does have so little in common with female genital mutilation that your comment is absurd. The male equivalent would be outright castration.

55 posted on 03/24/2002 3:50:34 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: InvisibleChurch
Bookmarking for later reading....
56 posted on 03/24/2002 4:12:12 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: crystalk
i'm sorry, can you elaborate?
57 posted on 03/24/2002 4:49:37 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: A.J.Armitage
I would agree that a clitorectomy is more severe than a circumcision; however circumcision is male genital mutilation.

Most parents in this country who decide to have their boys circumcised do it out of tradition (whether social or religious) not due to the sanitary argument. For every doctor who promotes circumcision I could probably find 3 who say it's wholly unnecessary.

My real point being, Jews and Christians should criticize Islam over some of it's more substantial failings. There are weird European and South American "Christian" celebrations where blood is shed.
58 posted on 03/24/2002 5:16:33 PM PST by NeoCrusade
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To: NeoCrusade
My real point being, Jews and Christians should criticize Islam over some of it's more substantial failings. There are weird European and South American "Christian" celebrations where blood is shed.

I was afraid this Islamic behaviour would elicit a response such as yours. Understandable to an extent but not fair. This is part of the "package" as it were of Islam. That package has a number of aspects to it. Each one in isolation as a point of criticism may be rather myopic because these elements make up the whole. But you can't ignore the parts with the attendant proviso that one shouldn't lose the forest for the trees.

59 posted on 03/24/2002 6:32:40 PM PST by Lent
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To: Yehuda; MyFavoriteHeadache
Do 'ya think these photos will ever make Berkeley's Islamic Links for Seventh Graders?

This California Grade 6-8 Teacher's Guide on Islam suggests the students skip lunch for Ramadan as they pretend they are exchange students in Syria. Hey 'Teach, Show these pictures, and anyone who dares to have lunch isn't going to keep it for long.

60 posted on 03/24/2002 6:55:38 PM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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