Ask the imam: Why can t the Jews and Muslims live together in peace?

I am speaking under correction. Please do correct me if I don't have my facts right:

According to The Bible there is no country such as Israel, only Palestine. The Jew and the Arab, both stemming from Abraham is in fact half brothers. So why can they not live in harmony in a new country called Palestine?

There is no doubt that the Prophet of Allaah Ibraaheem (Abraham) was a pure monotheist, and he was not among the polytheists and disbelievers. Although the Jews are among the offspring of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), they went against his way by associating partners in worship with Allaah and claiming that ‘Uzayr (Ezra) was a “son of God.” They said that God is miserly and that His hand is “tied up”, and they said, “He is poor and we are rich.” They also said that when God created the heavens and the earth in six days, He got tired, so He rested on the Sabbath day – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say about Him. They also likened the attributes of God to human attributes (anthropomorphism) and killed the Prophets, etc., etc.

Once this distinction and contrast is made clear, there can be no brotherhood between a monotheistic believer and a polytheistic disbeliever, as Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah. We have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever, - until you believe in Allaah Alone,’ – except the saying of Ibraaheem to his father: ‘Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allaah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allaah.’ Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, - … Certinaly, there has been in them an excellent example for you to follow, - for those who look forward to (the Meeting with) Allaah – (for the reward from Him) and the Last Day. And whosoever turn away, then verily, Allaah is Rich (Free of all wants), Worthy of all Praise.” [al-Mumtahinah 60:4,6]

Once this separation and enmity is clear, it is unavoidable that there will be hostility and disavowal and the resulting struggle against the enemies of Allaah. So long as the laws and wisdom of Allaah dictate that there should the distinction between believers and disbelievers, there has to be this clearly-stated enmity. There can be no change to the laws of Allaah.

There cannot be harmony between Jews – who are usurpers and aggressors, who have oppressed and persecuted others, and who are known for their treachery and corruption throughout the world, historically and in the present age – and the purely monotheistic Muslim owners of the land, whose menfolk the Jews have killed, and imprisoned their sons, and destroyed their homes, and taken possession of their lands by force, and prevented them from earning a proper living, and carried out chemical and radiational experiments on their prisoners, and taken organs from them for transplant into Jewish patients… and all other kinds of persecutions and atrocities.

In addition to this, the Jews are people of treachery and betrayal; it is not possible to trust them at all. Their current conduct bears this out: is there any treaty or agreement signed by them that they have actually fulfilled? This is no big surprise for the Muslims, who know what Allaah has said in His Book about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside? Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [al-Baqarah 2:100].

Moreover, if the Muslims agreed to live in peace with the Jews, who would be in charge? One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims. One of the most important of these conditions is that they should not openly display their shirk and kufr (polytheistic disbelief) in the Muslim lands, whether by word or deed.

As the Muslims and Jews are enemies residing in opposing religious and doctrinal camps, it is not possible for them to be brought together unless one is made to submit to the other by force. Indeed, the Jews now are not allowing the Muslims to remain in their homes, even if there was no provocative action on the part of the Muslims; they are seizing the Muslims’ property by force, building their settlements on the Muslims’ lands and expelling the Muslims by any means. They have expelled millions to the neighbouring countries, which have accommodated them in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps.

Finally, although the Muslims nowadays are in a position of weakness and humiliation – because they have turned away from their religion – and are unable to fight the Jews, take back their stolen lands and impose the rule of Islamic sharee’ah in Palestine, this does not mean that this will always be the case until the end of the world. Things have to change, and one of the indications of this is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who informed us of some things that are to happen in the future. He was supported by Revelation from his Lord; he did not speak of his own whims and desires, but of that which was revealed to him. He said:

“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; al-Bukhaari, 2926).

According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).

Buddha spent his life teaching the "4 noble truths".

Buddha is going to win the Kentucky Derby this year.

ML/NJ

>is there any place on Earth (outside of the USofA) where the Jew has prospered and assimilated?

Yes, most of Northern and Western Europe and it's colonies. There they are among their blood cousins, non-Jewish Israelites, the same ones that are paying the bills for the current nation Israel. Click on my Profile for the story.

>You can make a case for your historical point, however, you must account for the "Holocost" that took place in Europe.

Yes, that's why I carefully worded it "... most of Northern and Western Europe and it's colonies."

In the mind of most Celtic scholars, contemporary Germany is not a Celtic country, although the lines between Slavic and Celtic don't seem as clearly drawn to me there as elsewhere. The name "Germany" came from the Celtic Germani tribe, which moved on north and westward long ago...

That said, in a broader sense much of the history of Europe over the millennia has been of wars between Celtic tribes.

...what I ment Hawk, was the religion in itself, not the crimes commited under the religion's fabricated umbrella of reasons, to attack western civilisation vestiges and justify their cowardly attacks.

Over the years, I have noticed a whole lot of religious postings, containing some, quite, vitriolic and condencending comments along the way, I might add. Hence my comment/posting against religion discussions.

You see,we were told that Islam is such a peace loving religion...

I still have a question about Europe's Non-Anti-Semitism. I think you take a geographic approach while I take a political approach. I mean that national governments of Europe do not and have not tolerated the Jew as they have been here in the USofA.

There are many peacefull muslims too, and they are the ones who must stop this madness. But they just won't. That is why we must show we know what is playing on the inside. If we confront them with the fact that we know about the way the militants think, maybe then the moderates will act. If we keep buying the lies they will never act.

If the muslims stop their own militants all this would not have happened.

>I mean that national governments of Europe do not and have not tolerated the Jew as they have been here in the USofA.

You may be right. But I suppose it depends on which governments you select to analyze. How do you feel abou Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Ireland and England for example? Celic countries all.

To be fair ,Turkey accepted Jewish refugees after King Ferdinand of Spain ordered them out. One of Turkey's ambassadors also saved Jewish lives during the Holocaust of World War II.

Yeah, I guess that's because they wern't Armenians.

BUT PLENTY OF BULLETS.

Unfortunaely not, thanks to 8 years of Clintonian loathing of the military. They don't even have enough 9mm to qualify with, unless they are slated for deployment soon. Situtation with other stores is little better. An unlike 9mm and other small arms ammunition, precision weapons, aircraft, tanks and such take a good long time to aquire, from order to delievry.

Islam was originally a religion of Peace.

I think not, it was spread from it's very begining by the sword. Now other religions, once established, also were spread by the sword, but few by their founder and "prophet".

When the common man was able to read the Bible for himself it led to great changes in Christianity

For which we can than God, and Gutenberg.

Wherever the church has been an established, state church, you will inevitably find something dishonorable in its history

Which is exactly what is wrong in the Islamic countries. Their "holy men" are also Politicians, men of secular power, like Cardinal Richelieu (sic) and scores of others. It's not that way in Turkey, inspite of the efforts of the more fundamentalist among them, and they get along with the rest of world, save the Greeks pretty well (The antipath for the Greeks is more historical than religious, although there was a religous component too of course.). Religion can guide or influence the State, when it becomes the State, head for the hills, or the caves as in Heinlien's "If this goes On".

What I was referring to was the fact that when Islam first spread through the Arab population of Israel, the Jews were allowed to practice their own religion and live separately from the Muslims. I forget which country was ruling Israel at the time. The peace may have been more a result of an outside ruler, than a peaceful Muslim population.

I'm told it was two Pakistani's

Pakistani's are not Arabs,and derive the benefit, such as it is, of British educational and cultural influence. Plus being somewhat humble after ruling the Indian Subcontinent for some year, of having their tushes kicked first by the Brits, and now several times by the Hindu and Sikh Indians. ALthough that seems to be wearing off, time for another ash kicking? Let's hope not, since large numbers in the region might end up as radioactive ash in the process.

As for kissing a rock, I don't get too upset about that.

It's not the rock kising itself, tourists to Ireland, including my daughter, do that. It's the hypocrisy of doing that while at same time claiming to forbid idol worship and graven images and blowing up other people's religious and cultural icons that bites.

We'd be watching the Grand Wizards on TV stating that "KKK is peace".

Instead the NRA helped arm and train some of its targets. Somehow after that, the boys in the white hoods seemed less interested in burning crosses in the yards of, or lynching, people that had the benefit of that help.

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