Posted on 03/23/2002 3:18:00 PM PST by knighthawk
I am speaking under correction. Please do correct me if I don't have my facts right:
According to The Bible there is no country such as Israel, only Palestine. The Jew and the Arab, both stemming from Abraham is in fact half brothers. So why can they not live in harmony in a new country called Palestine?
Praise be to Allaah.
Your question may be answered by the following points:
There is no doubt that the Prophet of Allaah Ibraaheem (Abraham) was a pure monotheist, and he was not among the polytheists and disbelievers. Although the Jews are among the offspring of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), they went against his way by associating partners in worship with Allaah and claiming that ‘Uzayr (Ezra) was a “son of God.” They said that God is miserly and that His hand is “tied up”, and they said, “He is poor and we are rich.” They also said that when God created the heavens and the earth in six days, He got tired, so He rested on the Sabbath day – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say about Him. They also likened the attributes of God to human attributes (anthropomorphism) and killed the Prophets, etc., etc.
Once this distinction and contrast is made clear, there can be no brotherhood between a monotheistic believer and a polytheistic disbeliever, as Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah. We have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever, - until you believe in Allaah Alone,’ – except the saying of Ibraaheem to his father: ‘Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allaah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allaah.’ Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, - … Certinaly, there has been in them an excellent example for you to follow, - for those who look forward to (the Meeting with) Allaah – (for the reward from Him) and the Last Day. And whosoever turn away, then verily, Allaah is Rich (Free of all wants), Worthy of all Praise.” [al-Mumtahinah 60:4,6]
Once this separation and enmity is clear, it is unavoidable that there will be hostility and disavowal and the resulting struggle against the enemies of Allaah. So long as the laws and wisdom of Allaah dictate that there should the distinction between believers and disbelievers, there has to be this clearly-stated enmity. There can be no change to the laws of Allaah.
There cannot be harmony between Jews – who are usurpers and aggressors, who have oppressed and persecuted others, and who are known for their treachery and corruption throughout the world, historically and in the present age – and the purely monotheistic Muslim owners of the land, whose menfolk the Jews have killed, and imprisoned their sons, and destroyed their homes, and taken possession of their lands by force, and prevented them from earning a proper living, and carried out chemical and radiational experiments on their prisoners, and taken organs from them for transplant into Jewish patients… and all other kinds of persecutions and atrocities.
In addition to this, the Jews are people of treachery and betrayal; it is not possible to trust them at all. Their current conduct bears this out: is there any treaty or agreement signed by them that they have actually fulfilled? This is no big surprise for the Muslims, who know what Allaah has said in His Book about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside? Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [al-Baqarah 2:100].
Moreover, if the Muslims agreed to live in peace with the Jews, who would be in charge? One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims. One of the most important of these conditions is that they should not openly display their shirk and kufr (polytheistic disbelief) in the Muslim lands, whether by word or deed.
As the Muslims and Jews are enemies residing in opposing religious and doctrinal camps, it is not possible for them to be brought together unless one is made to submit to the other by force. Indeed, the Jews now are not allowing the Muslims to remain in their homes, even if there was no provocative action on the part of the Muslims; they are seizing the Muslims’ property by force, building their settlements on the Muslims’ lands and expelling the Muslims by any means. They have expelled millions to the neighbouring countries, which have accommodated them in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps.
Finally, although the Muslims nowadays are in a position of weakness and humiliation – because they have turned away from their religion – and are unable to fight the Jews, take back their stolen lands and impose the rule of Islamic sharee’ah in Palestine, this does not mean that this will always be the case until the end of the world. Things have to change, and one of the indications of this is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who informed us of some things that are to happen in the future. He was supported by Revelation from his Lord; he did not speak of his own whims and desires, but of that which was revealed to him. He said:
“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; al-Bukhaari, 2926).
According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).
Afraid not. Almost from the moment of the hijira in 622 (the date Islam uses as the start of their calendar) Muhammad and his followers took up the sword and used it liberally, both to fill their coffers and to spread their beliefs.
If people do not begin to discuss their religion seriously, we are going to be in real trouble. We have gotten this far in trouble because we have ignored them and the warning signs during the 70's til now. We allowed the kidnappings, bombings of planes, embassys, airports... We kept hoping that they would join this century. It has nothing to do with reformation of their religion. It has to do with their religion at its base. With out discussing it honestly we will never get prepared or solve the problem.
So it would be a sign of your maturity that you accept the Aztec religion with its "heart rending" human sacrifices, the murderous Kali worshipping Thuggees, and the South Pacific cannibals??
How mature of you.
Things were too different then and the answers are more complex and people . . . I don't want to call them ignorant but they probably were about lots of things we know more about today.
Normally in those times people didn't choose their wives/husbands and there were no divorces. It was a social custom. We don't do that any more but we aren't particularly better off for it. Child abuse, alcoholism, drug addiction are epidemic and the only reason there isn't more of it is because of civil laws. Perpetrators know they will have to do jail time. Most of those individuals don't have a spiritual and church life. They are on the fringes of society.
Sure got a lot of people mad at me on this thread.
Thus "medinah" can mean "city-state" or today even "state" in the sense of an area under a common government and laws, thus an Israeli passport says on the cover Medinat Yishrael.
In turn, of course this is from "dina," meaning law or code of law, with the particle "m" which can mean "of" or "subject to."
Not all Arabs have always and everywhere treated Christians and Jews badly. There were times of tolerance. Something tipped the scales. Why add fuel to the fire by trashing their religion?
Trash me instead.
My point about that time was that a few led the people to do things that were not always in accordance with the Bible, even when they knew the truth, and knew that they were leading the people wrongly. It was a priest who started the reformation, one who felt he could no longer lead the people astray because the church told him he should.
The Arabs had to even borrow the word for "city" as well as the concept, from a more settled and civilized people.
I know they are a threat to our survival. Some of them. How many I don't know.
Arabic has changed far more in the 1400 yrs since the Koran tried to stablilize it, than Hebrew has in the 3453 years since the Torah was given...it is also such a LIMITED language, any attempt to teach a modern science or medical class in Arabic would just have to create a new language virtually, while it CAN be done in Hebrew, as in English.
As to whether the West-semitic language depicted on the Tablets of Ebla in N Syria (from the time of Abraham) may have reasonably represented an original Language of Abraham from which both Hebrew and Arabic sprung...well, to a degree I guess, but despite Ishmael's mother being Egyptian, there is more Egyptian loan words by far in Hebrew than in Arabic...
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