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1 posted on 03/23/2002 12:10:35 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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One Great Big BumpTTT!!!!
2 posted on 03/23/2002 12:13:15 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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tell them there is no real evidence for global warming. In History they seem to know everything there is to know about obscure women and blacks (I'm sorry) African-Americans, but they have no idea who Thomas Jefferson was. No I take that back, they do know that Jefferson was a rich white man who raped one of his slaves and forced her to have children.
3 posted on 03/23/2002 12:20:03 PM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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I'll repeat something I said yesterday:


"Amen and amen! However...WHY is our American media COMMUNIST through and through? Because so-called "professors of journalism" at the college level are COMMUNISTS, through and through. Until we get at the ROOT of the problem (our MARXIST education system), and rip said problem out by the ROOTS, we will NEVER see balance in the American media. ("They" want more money for education, and we are STUPID enough to give it to them. "They" are buying a LOT of rope with that money...)"

Our mass-compulsion schooling system was created by anti-capitalists, to be sure, but they weren't Marxists -- they were robber barons, especially Rockefeller and Carnegie. Our schooling system serves one 'need': to create pliant and dependent people who will produce what they are told to produce, and to consume what they are told to consume. There is no room for Henry David Thoreau in today's America. The reason that so many teachers have such a socialist bent is that they believe in a central planned economy. They just want it to be a public planned economy and not a private controlled economy. When big business and big government are indistinguishable (blatantly anti-Constitutional Disney copyright extension, for instance), the effect is virtually the same.

Look at the job projections from the U.S. Department of Labor. We're going to 'need' janitors and retail clerks and cooks. Go ahead and look at the job projections.

The trick is in maintaining the illusion that schooling=education, and that the government has the authority and the responsibility to provide it. We need janitors? OK. You're going to have to keep kids in school for 13 years, give or take, and do your damndest to make sure that they're willing to endure boredom and take orders so that we'll have a portion of the "workforce's" "human resources" who are content to empty grease traps and mop floors forty hours a week. We "need" unambitious and dumbed-down "human resources" whose lot in life is to fit shoes on people and keep track of which jeans are included in this week's 20%-off sale. We "need" a vapid mass of order-takers who will think that it's their patriotic duty to buy a Ford truck, to help the economy, even if it's not in their best interest to do so.

This is the reason that Bush is continuing the centralization of power regarding what and how children grow up, most noticeably in his move toward a federal curriculum ("oh, local schools can do whatever they want, so long as we approve" passes as "local control") and is expanding the number of surrogate mothers and hack government psychologists and statistics-gatherers by pushing for more than a million new "teachers." Our schooling system serves the needs of a central planned economy.


Please visit John Taylor Gatto's website and start on the Underground History of American Education. It's worth spending $30 on, and it explains far more than any other source I've seen.
4 posted on 03/23/2002 12:24:55 PM PST by toenail
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"Taxpayers will no doubt continue to unwittingly dump their hard earned money into a system that seeks to damage children by undermining morality and turning them into human resources.

Well when the choices are, pay your taxes to fund the school system, or, have your property taken and possible go to prison. It does make it somewhat difficult to contest.

5 posted on 03/23/2002 12:26:00 PM PST by Kerberos
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I highly recommend The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thompson Iserbytt. It is the paper trail of so-called "Progressive Education" citing memos, articles and papers of the so-called "educators." It also tells the truth about vouchers(a back door way for government to fund and control private schools.) and the phony Neo Conservatives who push them. Really hair raising stuff.
6 posted on 03/23/2002 12:31:32 PM PST by Commander8
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The Tenth Plank of the Communist Manifesto: Free mandatory education for all people. Since that is the foundation of today's education establishment, I'd say that education is rather Communist in nature.

Remove the compulsory nature of education, and 90% of the problems will be removed. The students that cause most of the disruption problems will go disrupting elsewhere, but at least they won't get in the way of your child's future success anymore. Most of the administrative problems will be removed when the unions and politicians are shown the door. Most of the remaining problems will disappear when competent faculties are allowed to remove incompetent emloyees.

Also, you might want to check out this thread, where Educational Leadership magazine openly admits that they are focused on turning students into social activists.

7 posted on 03/23/2002 12:39:36 PM PST by Teacher317
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A worthwhile post. It does not mince words, nor should we when we discuss the proper function of a school.

If public schools will not respect the cultural heritage of a free America, they should not be supported by American taxpayers. It is sheer madness to finance the indoctrination of children against everything that we believe in.

It is not my purpose to make any blanket accusation. Schools need to be evaluated on an individual basis. But there should be no more compromise with the many that have allowed themselves to be used for the purpose of undermining America.

For a perspective on why some of the extreme Leftist ideas seem so prevalent in American "Educational" systems, see Myths & Myth Makers In American "Higher" Education. For the underlying compulsions which the propagandists of the Left exploit, see The Compulsion For Uniformity.

We are losing the war for our own future, because the enemy has learned how to use our own resources against us. We have to learn how to fight back more effectively--and that can only start with a frank exposition on what has really been going on.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

9 posted on 03/23/2002 12:57:10 PM PST by Ohioan
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