The Israeli Art Student Papers

Antiwar.com ^ | March 21, 2002 | Introduction by Justin Raimondo

[anatolfz]

Oh, and I'm still waiting for the long detailed report on Daniel Pearl's work for the CIA. Oh, I forgot - I guess that story has been stifled, witnesses disposed of, journalists leaned on. The curious official silence which always surrounds secret events like the faked moon landing and the little alien corpses seen in Roswell.

[DWPittelli]

I didn't say we necessarily TOLERATED Israeli spying, just that we EXPECTED them to spy on us for technology and military secrets, just as we expect almost every other country in the world to do the same -- just because we are #1 in the world in technology and military power. Yes, it's expected, and yet a Jonathon Pollard, if caught, will be punished.

Also, the key part of my sentence was NOT the word "expect," it was the words "technology" and "military secrets," as I went on to make clear (I thought). My point was that Israel would want to spy on us for those things, and would have little reason to spy here to learn about Islamofascist attacks within the U.S.

In short, we don't know that the Israeli art students were spies. But even if we posit that they were spies, there is NOTHING that we know that leads us to believe that they knew about the 9/11 attacks.

Again, can anyone tell me what reason Israel would have to expend spying resources to learn of the 9/11 attacks, if they weren't going to do anything with the info?

[LarryLied]

If Israel has some spies in the US it's likely a marginal threat at best.

The damage the Lavon Affair did to the USA was not marginal. Neither was what Pollard did.

[LarryLied]

Your comments are what makes this story so fascinating. From the day this was first reported, comments such as yours were being made. And there was no way anyone could know what happened then. Or now. Also freepers who wonder about this are mocked, smeared and called antisemites.

[LarryLied]

Pollard was guilty but he's served years already and paid his debt to America.

Pollard has refused to talk. We don't know the full extent of what he did or who else was involved. How can you say he "paid his debt to America?"

Until he tells everything, we don't even know what the debt he owes is.

[BrooklynGOP]

The point is you can read the original 60-page DEA report. I doubt most of you would be interested.

First of all the authenticity of it has not be established, and even what I read ( and I admit I skimmed through), there wasn't anything sensational there either.

[Bob J]

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[LarryLied]

Clintonesque. Reminds me of the Jennifer Flowers tape which was (not) "doctored."

What is the deal here? Why is it so inconcievable to some that Israel might spy on the USA? Not like this would be the first time Mossad got caught messing in our affairs.

[Cachelot]

Your attempts at smearing critcs of Israel are a deliberate ploy to undermine the differences between Judaism and Zionism

Tell us, and tell us quickly: do all Justines little elves wear little green shorts, or are they color-coded to some designation of rank? I assume the swastikas are all black :).

[Lent]

Your attempts at smearing critcs of Israel are a deliberate ploy to undermine the differences between Judaism and Zionism.

You're an expert on Judaism like your an expert on Christianity. Yep, no doctrinal differences and no shades, in between - you've got it all figured out.

[BrooklynGOP]

What is the deal here? Why is it so inconcievable to some that Israel might spy on the USA? Not like this would be the first time Mossad got caught messing in our affairs.

Huh? Is it inconceivable? No, not at all. Is there proof of the latest allegations? No. We can talk in hypotheticals all we want, but unless there's proof...

[LarryLied]

What I want to know is why are so many are so sure the story is not true. From the first day this was reported, these threads have been full of people degrading, mocking and smearing anyone who wanted to take the issue seriously (not referring to you).

No way they knew one way or the other.

And now we get the "no proof" again. Clintonesque. Insight, Jane's, FOX news and The Forward did not put their reputations on the line to report a story which is an "Urban Myth." The is no motive I can see for those outlets to publish this story. There is motive for Israel to spy on the USA (history proves that) and for our government to hush it up.

Something is there. Getting to that is what Free Republic used to be all about. On this topic is seems to be the opposite for many. They don't even want it discussed.

[BrooklynGOP]

And now we get the "no proof" again. Clintonesque. Insight, Jane's, FOX news and The Forward did not put their reputations on the line to report a story which is an "Urban Myth."

I still didn't see any proof or any named sources. FOX pulled the story precisely because they did not want to put their reputation on the line.

There is motive for Israel to spy on the USA (history proves that) and for our government to hush it up.

Let's not be silly. Motive alone doesn't constitute a crime.

[LarryLied]

Ok...I'm sitting in a corner now :-)

Did you see this one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/644355/posts

The replies are fascinating. Even the ones you can't see.

[scratchgolfer]

There are folks to whom the facts mean little, in their pursuit of a jihad as it were, against Jews and Israel. Justin Raimondo appears to be one of these people. A lie told 20 times is still a lie.

[veronica]

The replies are fascinating. Even the ones you can't see...

LOL. Replies you can't see? Art students who have never been confirmed by anyone on the record as being spies, branded spies? Very Clintonesque indeed...:)