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Posted on 03/20/2002 11:24:32 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
WASHINGTON (AP) The final report on the Whitewater investigation questions the truthfulness of the one Clinton who is still in public office, the Democratic senator from New York.
Independent Counsel Robert Ray's report Wednesday concluded that the Clintons' mid-1980s Arkansas land venture benefited from criminal activity and that the president and first lady gave factually inaccurate testimony, but there was not enough evidence to prove the former first family engaged in wrongdoing.
(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...
I think Robert Ray is probably the ONLY candidate the repubs could field that will lose to torricelli.
check the obits for WH employees since mid 95. should show up there.
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Why do you "move-on"ers ALWAYS obsess on the Clinton's? Why do you ALWAYS suggest the prosecutions would start with the Clinton's themselves? Any prosecutor worth his salt would begin by prosecuting the lower level people who violated the law. There are DOZENS in the case of the crimes the Clinton's, Clinton administration and DNC committed. Maybe even HUNDREDS. And even without an honest investigation, we already have many of them dead to rights on a wide variety of crimes. One example is the Riady non-refund. Another is Filegate. A third may involve the death of Ron Brown.
IF Ashcroft were at all interested in cleaning up our government and political process he would start with them, then work his way up. He would convince some of the lower level staffers into turning state's evidence against the higher level officials in exchange for leniency. THAT is how they got many of the big mafia people. THAT is almost always how you get the big criminals. So why do you insist we start with a Clinton trial?
Furthermore, why do "move-on"ers fear to even investigate the actions of the Clinton administration and DNC the last 9 years. Most of what we really know about the SERIOUS illegalities (not the SEX but the election tampering, the secrecy violations, the murders) came not from Reno's DOJ, not from the mostly sham congressional investigations, and not from the obviously flawed efforts of Fiske, Ray and Starr, but from the efforts of a few investigative reporters and private organizations like Judicial Watch ... all of whom lacked the power that an HONEST DOJ could bring to bear. Imagine what crimes a REAL investigation (one where lying to an FBI agent is a crime) might uncover.
But no ... you "move-on"ers want us to focus only on Bill and Hill and ignore the fact that HUNDREDS of democRAT criminals are STILL infesting our government and their party. And as a result of Bush's and YOUR unwillingness to do the right thing ... as a result of YOUR playing politics with our system of laws, those democRATS have learned they can commit crimes (STEAL ELECTIONS) and get away with it. Want to bet we won't see even more criminality during the next election or once the democRATS return to the oval office (and they will eventually you know)? Want to bet?
It's more than that. The records reappeared just after the statute of limitation on the crimes they proved Hillary committed expired.
Because if it doesn't happen then the only reason it didn't is because something is seriously wrong with the GOP too. The unwillingness of the Bush administration to even investigate allegations of serious crimes (one of which is the previous administration covering up those crimes) should make one pause. Is there really much difference between an administration that would commit serious crimes (including murder) and an administration that would ignore those crimes ... not even investigate when there is significant evidence to suggest they occurred? How big a leap is it to go from ignoring crimes BY THE OTHER PARTY for "perceived" short term political gain to committing crimes for "perceived" short term political gain (like the democRATS did)? How big of leap is it to assume that if the republicans are willing to ignore and help cover up serious crimes (we are not talking about sex, you know) by democRATS, they wouldn't cover up crimes by republicans? We stand near a cliff. Once both parties are willing to commit crimes and cover them up and ignore the crimes the other party committed, then does it really matter who we elect? In fact, given that one of the types of crimes charged against the democRATS and being ignored by the GOP is election tampering, will you even be able to trust the elections? I suggest we stand on edge of tyranny.
Great point. I hadn't realized that, and Ray should have mentioned that factoid as he took a pass on hillary.
It will happen if the Democrats think it's the only way they can get ahead politically. If a poll shows that the American people would be more willing to vote for a Democrat than a Republican if the Democrat would only say he/she's sorry they didn't vote to impeach Clinton, the mea culpas would come so fast it would make your head swim.
I am not a "move-onner," just a disillusioned believer in the ideology that used to be. More of a realist. I used to hold that we would either see reform or the beginnings of a new slippery slope to a civil war in order that our republican principles be wrested from the powers-that-be. I now understand that, in order for that to occur, there must be a widespread perception that we HAVE NO POLITICAL CHOICE. The results of the 2000 election blew my theory to heck. A 50/50 split (whether it was tampered with or not) is perceived, because that's the spin given us by politicians and the media.
People will not act if they do not feel a sense of desperation, and that is exactly what our nation lacks. They don't perceive an assault on their liberties, so they remain unconcerned in their loungers, watching CNN.
Election tampering is not a new practice. I, too, am disgusted by the failure of the GOP to look into the glaring irregularities of the 2000 election and the redistricting happening nation-wide. To me, their failure to follow up on election fraud is further proof that the GOP is just as corrupt as the DNC, or incompetent, and I would bet on the former.
Americans will get what they deserve. They want democracy? They practice it by sitting on their behinds, not caring about what goes on in the state and national capitals, and then going out and voting based on what the media tells them, rather than on sound logic. They vote with their hearts, not their heads. That will be the death of America.
ivoteright--You're on, you're right. Why, though, should all Americans suffer from the ignorance and laziness of a few...(or shall I say 50% at least.) Those of us who are informed and somewhat intelligent should be making calls, writing letters, visiting our reps in person, becoming activists.
We may not get the justice we deserve with the clintons, but we can try (at least try) to prevent and prosecute those criminals that come in the future. (And maybe we can catch Hitlary in the act in office...of course, she has too many people by the balls to actually have any charges brought against her...) It's a mad circle.
The last part is what is truly wrong in this country. Nobody seems to be convicted of anything anymore unless it is a nameless corporation. Individuals are not held accountable.
The Rose Law Firm and the White House had shredders humming 24/7 for 8 years. Enron/Anderson are now being accused of the same thing with huge fines and jailtime forthcoming. Hmmmm.....
Justice is blind alright...it selectively looks the other way.
Jefferson was right, and Jefferson was wrong. The modern republican ideologists don't believe that a virtuous populace is necessary to maintain a republic. But our virtue is fading, and so is our republic. So you be the judge.
We can protest, and contact our government officials, and act to our heart's desire, but the only good it will do is to possibly retard the destruction of our great republican experiment.
Bill and Hillary will be a historical asterisk. They're really not that important.
not to confuse the issue, but wasn't a second copy of "the billing records" discovered in a brief case belonging to the late Vince Foster in the Little Rock home shared by VWF's widow and her new husband, Judge James Moody?
I thought that was interesting too. things have changed.
It seems a bit ridiculous to me to hold the idea that "nothing will help, and nothing will change". Maybe you're right, but I'd rather TRY to see some change, some results, some truth, some justice. (Idealist? maybe.) If we just give up and completely let them have their way, we are no better than the corruptors, are we? We are drones and enablers. I am neither, and I'll not just watch as they ruin our country, our future, and the future of our children, sis. We have to keep trying. It's too important to give up.
I disagree. Depending on the extent to which the first bastard sold us out to China (and I believe he gave them enough to take us out) history has yet to determine how important they will be to our country's history.
I'm not that naive. I just hope that it is still possible to move them in the right direction. I know the democRATS are now beyond that. I have no doubt that highly placed members of that party KILLED other members of their own party (Brown and Foster) rather than let what they knew about the crimes being committed come out. Perhaps I hope in vain that the Republicans are less corrupt. I think the only proof of that will be if they investigate and prosecute the crimes the democRATS committed, even if it means some of their own members get burned in the process. I know this ... fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. If Bush administration does NOTHING (as they have so far) about the very serious crimes committed by the democRATS the last 9 years, then I won't be voting for a Republican again. I will listen to my conscience and vote for a 3rd party candidate, instead, to send a message.
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