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It sure is noisy in here!
March 20, 2002 | Texasforever

Posted on 03/20/2002 7:54:47 PM PST by Texasforever

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To: itsahoot
am trying to be jovial here not personal, if it sounds that way I am sorry, but I am and old fart that has seen more campaign promises broken than engagements at a lonely hearts club,

I know what you mean, I am an old fart too and deeply resent presidents younger than I am. LOL

221 posted on 03/21/2002 12:01:43 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
A feeding frenzy is impossible to stop until the meal is devoured I guess.

Perhaps it will be enough for us to try to stop folks from adding blood to the water!

222 posted on 03/21/2002 12:03:49 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Texasforever;itsahoot
I know what you mean, I am an old fart too and deeply resent presidents younger than I am.

I guess that makes 3 of us. Even after 9 years it seems wrong to be older than the President. In any case, maybe that's why the three of us are still up in the middle of the night, with nothing better to do.

223 posted on 03/21/2002 12:06:59 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Perhaps it will be enough for us to try to stop folks from adding blood to the water!

I guess the point of my misguided effort was to say that we do have big problems in this country. Those problems are large enough not to require overstatement and misrepresentation. When people say they want their elected representatives to listen to them and then accuse them of lying when in fact they didn't or to ascribe evil intentions to simple difference of opinion then, being human, the elected officials start to wonder what's the use. You don't convince anyone to do something while calling them scum. Bush is 30 % through his first term and maybe his only term in office and no one seems willing to look at what he has accomplished. The Government is not a collection of street gangs that schedule rumbles to decide what philosophy wins 100%. There is no 100% in politics it is usually 50-50 because when you get right down to it, this government really is a reflection of the people that elect it.

224 posted on 03/21/2002 12:16:14 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
This may not be the kind of thing you were asking about, and is definately not what Dornan was talking about, because he was arguing that congress could pass legislation outlawing abortion and make it not subject to Judicial Review. But a quick google search turns up plenty of things that are not subject to Judicial Review. thhis is just the first one I came to. Social Security Stuff.

DETERMINATIONS; APPEALS [442] SEC. 1869. [42 U.S.C. 1395ff] (a) The determination of whether an individual is entitled to benefits under part A or part B, and the .....
(A) Such a determination shall not be reviewed by any administrative law judge.

.........

(4) A regulation or instruction which relates to a method for determining the amount of payment under part B and which was initially issued before January 1, 1981, shall not be subject to judicial review.

(5) In an administrative hearing pursuant to paragraph (1), where the moving party alleges that there are no material issues of fact in dispute, the administrative law judge shall make an expedited determination as to whether any such facts are in dispute and, if not, shall determine the case expeditiously.


225 posted on 03/21/2002 12:17:02 AM PST by itsahoot
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To: itsahoot
Does this have something to do with Social Security? I don't think administrative "judges" have much standing since their rulings are routinely overturned in appeals courts and the SS judges are not independent agents, they report directly to the agency that they are a part of. But thanks.
226 posted on 03/21/2002 12:23:02 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: itsahoot
(A) Such a determination shall not be reviewed by any administrative law judge.

Not a lawyer, but have had experience with administrative law judges. Despite the title, they are NOT judges, and are not part of the judicial branch of government. In the Social Security Administration, for example, after you apply for disability benefits, and are rejected, and appeal, and are rejected again (which is what usually happens if there is any doubt), the Social Security administrative law judge hears the next appeal (and usually overturns the decision appealed to them). Administrative law judges are a part of the bureaucracy, and limits on them have no bearing on limitations of judicial review.

227 posted on 03/21/2002 12:24:03 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
LOL, great minds.
228 posted on 03/21/2002 12:27:55 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: rdb3
We are on exactly the same page, and it is do nice to see another person who really does understand politics ! : - )

I do know and understand the " you aren't black enough " thing, though I am not a black person. You are correct about it being thesame ruse, though. What it boils down to , is you aren't " legitimate ", unless you agree with me / the straight party line. It is used as a bludgeon.

Libertarians, in case you haven't yet noticed, use code words, and phrases ( the vast majority here do ) , just as the Dems do. They stick together, browbeat, and yes, even share quite a number of the same positions with their Liberal counterparts.

Dems, no matter what, stick together . Conservatives tend not to, and that IS our downfall. Dems and Comes have always understood about incrimentalization. It's worked beautifully for them. The political naifs, here, don't get it . They want instant gratification or NOTHING , which means that they wind up with nothing. They ridicule the Dems for sticking together, no matter what, and then wonder WHY Conservative positions get left in the dust or have to be fought an uphill battle for.

This forum was , I think, supposed to give us power and leverage, by working together. It's managed to make bitter enemies , within the Conservative movement. Until those who do NOT and shall NOT have the numbers to overthrow the GOP wake up to that, and start to see that a one topic or a really fringe position on something will NOT gain support, we are destined to be fracationated and Balkanized , at best.

George Bush is our president . He has the slimmest majority in the House and a minority in the the Senate. With such figures, getting anything passed, including Consesrvative Supreme Court nominees , is going to be very difficult. To be pleased, about " knocking off a RINO " , is delusional, in this climate. It is a death wish, which no amount of standing on one's supposed principles is going to help matters.

I don't know why some would rather have an empty glass, than one that is 1/4 or 1/2 or even 3/4 full.

229 posted on 03/21/2002 12:30:14 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
To be pleased, about " knocking off a RINO " , is delusional, in this climate.

Well there are RINOs and RINOs you know, nearly all of us are pleased to have politically disposed of Riordan in California.

230 posted on 03/21/2002 12:39:46 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Texasforever
LOL, great minds.

Not too surprising, two old farts in the middle of the night, not too surprising we have heard of the ins and outs of social security, right.

231 posted on 03/21/2002 12:41:09 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Yes, you ARE correct. I didn't quite mean it in that way ... I do hope you that did understand the meaning of and in which context , what I wrote meant to conviegh. : - )
232 posted on 03/21/2002 1:00:34 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Texasforever
waited until last night and nothing was done so I went looking on my own and found Bush’s plan after getting the nomination and 90% of what he wanted and advocated is in the new bill . . .

. . . and if I only put a tiny scoop of dog poop in a cake with otherwise gourmet ingredients, will you eat it?

The first ammendment violations should be the deal killer despite the merits of the bill. Depending on the Supreme Court to do their duty after neglecting yours is like notifying the traffic cop your kid will be playing on a busy street today, so please keep an eye out.

233 posted on 03/21/2002 1:07:58 AM PST by Rubber Ducky
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To: nopardons
meant to conviegh.

I guess you are not talking about conning McVeigh, although that would be an interesting contraction. I think that you mean that there are many who are getting rather hyperbolic about Bush, and I agree.

I was not an original supporter of his, and recognize that he is not a 'movement' conservative. But he is a conservative Republican, one of the two strongest conservatives ever to be President, and he continues to be better than I expected him to be. We should support him on the many occasions when we agree with him. We can and should put pressure on him when we disagree with his policies, without making ourselves look ridiculous and juvenile in our rhetoric.

234 posted on 03/21/2002 1:18:57 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
We can and should put pressure on him when we disagree with his policies, without making ourselves look ridiculous and juvenile in our rhetoric.

Well put and I would just like to move up to a somewhat higher plane with the following observation:

The Consitution is this country's primary floatation device. In calm waters, there's temptation to paddle around and away from it but only fools go too far. In stormy seas, it's wise to cling tightly to it.
235 posted on 03/21/2002 1:27:37 AM PST by pt17
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Thank you, that is the point I was trying to get across. It's late, I have a migraine, and I'm packing this in. I seem to be unable to write in anything resembling a cogent manner, right now.
236 posted on 03/21/2002 1:28:07 AM PST by nopardons
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To: gratefulwharffratt
As for all the squawkers before they look at the facts, I have come to expect them to be like migrating birds that make noise a few days then fly away.

May the four winds blow them safely home.

Great response!

The dims are claiming victory while the noose is being tightend around their collective necks. The squawkers are desperatly trying to rable rouse and divide the Republicans. It won't work. We'll roll away the dew, and see who is all along the watchtower!

237 posted on 03/21/2002 1:33:43 AM PST by FranklinsTower
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To: FranklinsTower;pt17;nopardons
In stormy seas, it's wise to cling tightly to it.
I have a migraine . . I seem to be unable to write in anything resembling a cogent manner, right now.
May the four winds blow them safely home . . We'll roll away the dew, and see who is all along the watchtower!

I am afraid that this recent rash of similes has left me feeling a little green around the gills! Nite All!

238 posted on 03/21/2002 1:47:21 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: FranklinsTower
The dims are claiming victory while the noose is being tightend around their collective necks.


The Losers and Friends Of The Devil will soon be doing the Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo, after they catch a BIG-TIME jolt of Lazy Lightning when their Ship Of Fools sinks come November.

They will suddenly think they are Standing On The Moon, singing their Blues For Allah. Yes, in November Comes A Time when the Eyes Of The World will truly see their Foolish Hearts. When that happens, we can say, "That's It For The Other Ones!"

Their Brokedown Palace was never Built To Last. The Wheel is turning they can't even see the Fire On The Mountain. They will soon get what they deserve. I am only one Wharff Ratt, but If I Had The World To Give, I'd give the DemonRats France, as that is what they deserve.

I can hardly wait until November, Till That Morning Comes. A new day will arrive, and with that Sunrise, an Easy Wind will blow, and a melodious Bird Song will be heard. All will be right again.

Then, after two years of Majority Republican government, I see an Unbroken Chain of victories for us. If we can just keep the faith until November, then there will be Help On The Way.

:-)

240 posted on 03/21/2002 2:23:49 AM PST by gratefulwharffratt
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