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It sure is noisy in here!
March 20, 2002 | Texasforever

Posted on 03/20/2002 7:54:47 PM PST by Texasforever

The noise level in the forum needs to abate so issues can be discussed on their merits and not deliberate misrepresentation of this President’s, motives, decisions and conservative credentials. The decisions Bush has made on the immigration reform act and the CFR are not the same decisions I would have made but they are principled decisions not based on polls or focus groups. For those of you that hold principle as your standard I would think that would be a plus in your assessment but I guess when your ox is being gored, the presence of principle is not as important an attribute as you claim.

I see the same misrepresentation of Bush’s positions on the CFR as I saw on the IRA. The charges are being thrown right and left that he “lied” to us as a candidate when he said he opposed campaign finance reform and is now doing a “read my lips” part two. When the thread that called for a “freep” of the President was posted a few days ago I said I was willing to do so because I don’t like CFR any more than the rest of you but I also asked the author of the thread if anyone had done a comparison to the bill that is now passed with Bush’s positions during the campaign. I was told that was a good idea and that such a comparison would be forthcoming. I waited until last night and nothing was done so I went looking on my own and found Bush’s plan after getting the nomination and 90% of what he wanted and advocated is in the new bill, He has not reneged on a campaign promise he let all of us know his position well in advance, I have attached that plan along with the applicable sections in the CFR that was passed today. It would be nice if Bush had the line-item veto so he could excise the bad parts but he does not and will rely on the courts to do it for him.

I have no illusions that this will sway any of the newly “disaffected” Bush supporters but to those of you that actually wish to criticize in a rational manner, I hope this helps.

Summary of Governor Bush's Campaign Finance Proposal

On February 15, 2000, Texas governor George W. Bush, the eventual winner of the Republican Party's presidential nomination, outlined a campaign finance reform proposal that he claimed would "increase citizen participation, return honor to our system, and restore confidence in our democracy." The proposal consists of a package of reforms that include a partial ban on soft money donations, an increase in individual contribution limits to candidates, restrictions on labor union political activities, a ban on the solicitation of contributions from federally registered lobbyists while Congress is in session, and disclosure of contributions on the Internet. The primary objective of these reforms is to protect the rights of individual citizens and groups to make contributions to political campaigns and otherwise express their views in the political process. The reforms also seek to preserve the integrity of the political process by placing new restrictions on contributions, and requiring full and timely disclosure of campaign contributions.

back to top Restricting Soft Money and "Paycheck Protection"

The Bush proposal calls for a partial ban on soft money contributions to political parties. It would prohibit corporate and labor union soft money donations, but would continue to allow individual soft money contributions. In recent election cycles, more than two-thirds of the soft money raised by the national party organizations came from corporate and labor union funds, so the proposed change would have a significant effect in reducing the amount of soft money raised at the national level. The Governor's plan thus calls for more stringent regulation of soft money than the proposals advanced by Republican leaders in recent congresses, but it is less comprehensive than the total ban on soft money donations included in the McCain-Feingold and Shays-Meehan bills. Covered in SEC. 101. SOFT MONEY OF POLITICAL PARTIES.

The plan also restricts the monies used by labor unions for political activities by incorporating a "paycheck protection" provision that would grant union members a right to decide whether a portion of their dues would be used for political purposes. In this way it seeks to promote the principle that all monies used in federal political campaigns should be voluntarily contributed. Bush's proposal thus reaches beyond the provisions of McCain-Feingold or other similar reform packages, which recognize the right of non-union members to consent to the use of their dues for political purposes, by extending this practice to union members as well. A "paycheck protection" provision of this kind has been advocated by Republican leaders in recent congresses, but is generally considered a "poison pill" guaranteeing the defeat of any reform plan by Democrats. Moreover, unlike the "paycheck protection" proposal drafted by Senate Republicans Jim Jeffords and Olympia Snowe in the 105th Congress, the Bush proposal includes no comparable provision offering corporate shareholders an opportunity to consent to the use of corporate treasury funds for political purposes. Covered in SEC. 203. PROHIBITION OF CORPORATE AND LABOR DISBURSEMENTS FOR ELECTIONEERING

Bush had already taken care of the paycheck protection problem his first month in office with the following Executive order

Four executive orders were issued by President Bush on February 17, 2001, which the Administration stated "are based on the principles of fair and open competition, neutrality in government contracting, effective and efficient use of tax dollars and the legal right of workers to be notified of how their dues may be used." Reacting to the reports, AFL – CIO President John Swenney issued a statement saying he was "appalled and outraged" by the decision to issue "four mean-spirited, anti-worker executive orders." One order would require government contractors to notify employees of their rights under the U.S. Supreme Court's 1988 holding in Communications Workers v. Beck, 487 U.S. 735, "affirming the right of workers to be notified and object, if they so chose, to their union dues being used for purposes other than collective bargaining." Government contractors will be required to post notices informing union–represented workers of their rights under the Beck decision. A similar Executive order was signed in 1992 by the President's father, which was rescinded in early 1993 by former President Clinton.

back to top Preserving Individual Participation

In addition to allowing individual soft money contributions, the Bush plan seeks to preserve the First Amendment rights of individuals to participate in the financing of campaigns by other means. The proposal calls for an increase in the amount an individual may contribute to a federal candidate by adjusting the current limit for inflation, which would raise the current limit of $1,000 per election to approximately $3,300 per election. Covered inSEC. 211. DEFINITION OF INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURE and SEC. 307. MODIFICATION OF CONTRIBUTION LIMITS. All individual and independent limits raised.

Furthermore, Bush would place no restrictions on issue advocacy; rather, his plan affirms the right of individuals and groups to run issue advocacy advertisements without being subject to federal regulation. Covered under SEC. 201. DISCLOSURE OF ELECTIONEERING COMMUNICATIONS. And `(B) EXCEPTIONS- The term `electioneering communication' does not include—

ii) a communication which constitutes an expenditure or an independent expenditure under this Act;

back to top Eliminating "Rollover" Transfers

Governor Bush also wants to preserve "donor choice" by eliminating the ability of federal candidates to transfer or "roll over" excess campaign funds from a prior bid for federal office to a subsequent campaign for a different federal office. Current law allows a federal candidate to transfer an unlimited amount raised for one federal campaign to another; for example, a senator running for president can transfer any amount of excess campaign money from a previous senate race to a presidential campaign fund. The Bush plan would end this practice to ensure that monies raised from donors who support a candidate for one office are not used to finance a subsequent campaign that donors may not support.

back to top Limiting the Solicitation of Contributions from Lobbyists

One reform offered by Bush that has not been included in the campaign finance legislation that has reached the floor in recent sessions of Congress is a prohibition on the solicitation of contributions during legislative sessions. Under Bush's proposal, Members of Congress would be prohibited from soliciting or accepting campaign contributions from federally registered lobbyists while Congress is in session. In other words, members will only be allowed to solicit or accept gifts from these individuals when Congress is in recess. The purpose of this provision is to safeguard the legislative process from improper conduct or actions that create an appearance of impropriety. It is modeled on similar provisions that have been adopted in some states, including Texas, which prohibits campaign contributions during the legislative session.

back to top Improving Disclosure

During the presidential prenomination period, the Bush campaign has been posting donor information on the campaign's Internet site on a weekly basis. This practice would become a requirement of federal law under the Bush proposal in an effort to make information on campaign donors available to the electorate in a more timely manner. The Governor's plan would amend current law on disclosure and electronic filing to require candidates to disclose on the Internet all campaign contributions within one week of their receipt. Under current FEC rules, candidates for the presidential nomination file quarterly reports during the off-election year and monthly reports during the election year Covered in TITLE V--ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURE PROVISIONS


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To: Texasforever
He's a talk radio guy, a good one. On right now (midnight to 4am).. he's on about 18 stations so you can probably hear it... I am listening on 1080AM
161 posted on 03/20/2002 10:28:07 PM PST by GeronL
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To: GeronL
If the bill is unconstitutional and the President signs it, I would hope someone would introduce articles of impeachment.


The "I" word?? How ridiculous.

162 posted on 03/20/2002 10:28:17 PM PST by gratefulwharffratt
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To: nopardons
"The fringers' here, or that they won't get their message accross; because they will not ! "

Granted, some people will never learn, no matter how often the message is repeated.

"Fringers only has sway in a parlimentary government. "

Slade Gorton might disagree with that.

"Ergo, staying home / voting for a lost cause, insures that GOPers ( or in the case of Nader, the Dems ) lose needed votes."

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's a game of chicken. The group with the bigger pair wins -- the group that blinks first loses. Thin margins of victory make for large leverage of the "fringe".

163 posted on 03/20/2002 10:28:36 PM PST by Tauzero
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To: RAT Patrol
The INS is a corrupt, inept, mismanaged, bogged-down bureaucracy that needs a kick in the pants (which it will get) - and the people whose lives are put on hold or interrupted because of the failure of the bureaucrats to perform their jobs get a few months reprieve while the department shapes up.
164 posted on 03/20/2002 10:28:54 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: wardaddy
That was actually the point I was making. LOL

Good night, my FRiend. : - )

165 posted on 03/20/2002 10:29:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: gratefulwharffratt
Just Ron Paul or someone else. Just to make a point.
166 posted on 03/20/2002 10:30:04 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Tauzero
Slade Gorton might disagree with that.

Slade is a weenie, I agree - but he lost the re-election bid because the Democrats in Washington state violated MANY elections laws (as they always do). Maria Cantwell did not win, she stole.

167 posted on 03/20/2002 10:32:30 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: GeronL
Tell me, should he draw up impeachment articles on this issue but ignore the Immigration bill that he voted for? Ron Paul is just like any politician, he votes for the things that get him re-elected in his district.
168 posted on 03/20/2002 10:33:46 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: nopardons
...the president has close to an 80 % approval rating now...

You mean he HAD an 80% approval rating, I seriously doubt it is still that high.

169 posted on 03/20/2002 10:34:25 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: Texasforever
The president takes an oath to preserve and to defend the
constitution
NOT to interpret law.

Excuse me Tex, but it ain't a law til he signs it, or barring that
congress overides his veto.

170 posted on 03/20/2002 10:36:06 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: itsahoot
Excuse me Tex, but it ain't a law til he signs it, or barring that congress overides his veto.

What makes you think I didn't understand that?

171 posted on 03/20/2002 10:37:25 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: RamsNo1
No it isn't ! Anyone, who hasn't a glimmer of an idea, just when events took place, doesn't understand much of anything at all. I understand typos, I understand misspelled words, I even understand forgetting who your Senator is ; though less so ! Not knowing / remembering what century the Revolutionary War too place, on THIS forum, makes you worse than a lightweight !

I saw no retraction, when I replied to you.

You sound like a " serial caller ". I find your posts and replies to ring untrue . I called you on it, and do so again.

172 posted on 03/20/2002 10:37:59 PM PST by nopardons
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To: RickyJ
You still support Bush?

Your kind are a dying breed.


79% of the rest of the country supports our GREAT President too.

YOU are the dinosaur.

173 posted on 03/20/2002 10:38:43 PM PST by gratefulwharffratt
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To: RamsNo1
No it isn't ! Anyone, who hasn't a glimmer of an idea, just when events took place, doesn't understand much of anything at all. I understand typos, I understand misspelled words, I even understand forgetting who your Senator is ; though less so ! Not knowing / remembering what century the Revolutionary War took place, on THIS forum, makes you worse than a lightweight !

I saw no retraction, when I replied to you.

You sound like a " serial caller ". I find your posts and replies to ring untrue . I called you on it, and do so again.

174 posted on 03/20/2002 10:39:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Texasforever
Ron Paul is libertarian, they believe in open borders
175 posted on 03/20/2002 10:39:44 PM PST by GeronL
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To: gratefulwharffratt
Yes, indeed ! I said so too. : - )
176 posted on 03/20/2002 10:41:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: gratefulwharffratt
79% of the rest of the country supports our GREAT President too.

That was yesterday. Before we knew he was a liar.

177 posted on 03/20/2002 10:41:50 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: gratefulwharffratt
I refer you to post 154. Good Night.
178 posted on 03/20/2002 10:45:02 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: RAT Patrol
LOL!
179 posted on 03/20/2002 10:45:43 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: GeronL
Ron Paul is libertarian, they believe in open borders

Should he be thrown out of congress?

180 posted on 03/20/2002 10:47:11 PM PST by Texasforever
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