Posted on 03/19/2002 10:49:48 AM PST by FreedomSurge
Once and for all I'd like to see the IRS do some sorting and indexing and issue an authentic report on how much tax illegal aliens actually pay.
The report should be offset by all EITC pay outs under bogus Social Security numbers and the special Taxpayer ID numbers (TINs) developed especially for the illegals who want to file and pay taxes, or get checks for free tax credits.
They pay taxes?? Sure they do...hahahahaha.... This is one IRS report you'll never see.
Here is their exact justification:
The US is a nation of immigrants. Everyone living the the US is either an immigrant or a decendent of immigrants. Therefore the US has no right to keep anyone out of its country.
I respond to that fallacious argument in the essay, referenced: Immigration & The American Future. We should not, of course, just blame foreigners for having that distorted view. American Leftists have prattled similar nonsense in their effort to undermine our sense of whom we are. (See The Battle Over Patterns Of Personal Identification.)
The fallacy that I ridicule in saying that a nation is not a game of musical chairs runs into a lot of issues other than just immigration. It needs to be laid to rest.
William Flax
It doesn't reflect very favorably on our President either since he and Fox are big buddy-buddies.
This story does not suprise me. When our own law enforcement threatens the citizenry with arrest for protecting his own family, what do we expect? I detained 26 illegal aliens, along with a friend, I was told I violated the civil rights of these illegal aliens and was being sued. I was also threatened with arrest.
So, you all talk and gripe and complain. Im still down here on the border actually fighting, possibly, the American Govt! Go figger.
John Petrello. more here.
Another amnesty is not "compassion", it's a slap in the face to the victim's families and all the American people.
I can certainly agree with you here.
You do know that Ridge is a Marine don't you?
Notice this twerp said the North American economy, not the American economy. Like I should be happy that illegal scumbag aliens are taking money out of our system and propping up Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, et al. By the way, an illegal alien I worked with last year bragged constantly about how he didn't pay taxes. Sure he paid sales tax, but he was an illegal, hired with bogus paperwork, working on a 1099, and sending most of his money back to Mexico.
"How many are stopped and how many manage to cross?"
I don't know how many, but as to how they get across, I say refer to a story I saw here a couple of weeks ago about a tunnel found outside of Tijuana that ran a couple of hundred yards into the US. Don't be surprised if dozens more have been dug all along the border. Why not? The North Koreans have been using tunnels for years to infiltrate the South.
"The undocumented immigrants in the United States - 8 million, according to the National Office of the Census- pay taxes, keep inflation under control, are a cheap source of manual labor for agriculture and the service sector, and sustain economically a population that is aging very fast."
Let's see...they also use up taxpayer resources, spread disease that American citizens are vaccinated against as kids (so I guess we oughta provide these illegal alien scumbags free medical care, too), pervert our education system through this bi-lingual teaching crap, drive on our highways without insurance (again, the scumbag I worked with last year...just guess who'd have to pay if he'd gotten into an accident? Yeah...you), etc. Pay taxes? Yeah right. Sustain economically? What the hell kinda gobbledegook is this? This brain stem already admitted they send 80% of what they make back home. The only economies they're sustaining are those in Central America and Mexico! Manual labor for agriculture? That's easy enough to fix...take these American welfare suck-offs and put them to work in the fields. That would trim the welfare rosters faster than anything.
Sorry, I'm just getting tired of this crap. Our nation is being invaded from the south just as Rome was invaded from the north...and no one seems to want to do a friggin' thing about it. This one's gonna bite us in the a** really soon.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
My solution for the manual labor is to use the same migrant workers the mexicans use.
There is an Indian population of about 10 million which does not speak spanish. During harvesting season the mexican growers send buses up into the mountains to pick up the Indians and take them to the fields. At the end of the season they are bussed back to their viliages.
I think we're already there. I can't prove anything, of course, I am not an intelligence agency unto myself, but I'll just bet that a lot of the fake ID's the 9/11 terrorists had were obtained from the Mexican counterfeiters already in place.
Do the math. One million illegals per year times the $90 quoted in the article (an amount which strikes me as very low) totals $90 million per year.
Maybe not a huge industry, but not peanuts either.
That's a lot of money, for sure, but you gotta figure in the cost of the paper to print fake ID's on, and expenditures for lamination, too. This stuff adds up, slowly chipping away at the bottom line...
This must be the money that goes to drug cartels, Mexico is the number one supplier of illegal drugs to the US, all the drugs from Colombia go through Mexico first. Drugs are one of the biggest businesses in Mexico and it's making the politicians very rich.
How else will all those drug be shipped in the US and distributed to every American town and city? I haven't heard of anyone's drug supplies drying up.
Thank you. I am trying to build a resource center, where the Collegiate Conservative can find the arguments for which the Left has no effective answer. While we have thus far put the heavy emphasis on the issues where the enemy usually gets away with the most outrageous intellectual dishonesty--such as those which relate to the pursuit of an undifferentiated humanity (i.e., the Communist ant hill ideology, reflected in such fields as immigration, affirmative action, suppression of traditional rights, etc.)--it is my hope to eventually have material on some of the more subtle issues as well.
Please feel free to use whatever you find there.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
When they pull up to the pump at their local Amoco station, does the pump recognize them as illegals and deducts taxes from the price of the gallon of gas?
We need to fully fund the Border patrols and allow them to do their job.
We need to reform welfare, I argue that not only is it being abused by illegals, but by the native-born as well, and it abuses me along with anyone else forced to pay for people not to work.
We need to prosecute companies hiring illegal workers.
We need to challenge the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment which allows a woman to walk across the border and give birth to an American citizen.
All of that, along with turning back the greatest number possible at the borders (100% would be acceptable), and deporting legal immigrants convicted of felonies AFTER they serve their sentences.
Now, I don't know if Mexico receives any sort of foreign aid from the US, if they do, stop it, and route the funds to be used to secure our borders.
These are just my ideas, there remains the problem of the existing illegals in the country.
"They don't pay taxes --- they're ILLEGALS!"
Luis Gonzalez: When they pull up to the pump at their local Amoco station, does the pump recognize them as illegals and deducts taxes from the price of the gallon of gas?
Don't play Philadelphia lawyer, Luis. Gasoline taxes were the last thing on the guy's mind. He meant taxes in the conventional sense. You know that, I know that. So why the grief?
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