The Undocumented Immigrant: Heroes or criminals?

Univision Online ^ | March 19, 2002 | Jorge Ramos Avalos

[glc1173@aol.com]

Will the U.S. "mainstream" media ever say similarly that every native-born American waitress not reporting her tips or every native-born American carpenter offering discounts for cash payment is a "hero" rather than a "criminal" because she or he keeps prices low and gives his family a better standard of living by working that way - just like the Mexican illegal?

I say DEPORTEMALLLETALLAHSORTITOUT !!!

[WRhine]

The arrogance of this Mexican cabal like fox and castenada is superseded only by the cowardice of Bush, Congress and the INS.

Well Put.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I hired some illegals once, I didn't know they were illegals at the time. They had the necessary paperwork to complete their I-9's, so I put them through our payroll procedures.

They (seven in total) worked for me for about ten months, then one day, one of them shows up and hands me a green card with a whole different name than the original one he had given me, this was when Reagan gave a bunch of illegals amnesty. This was his real card, and his real name, I never saw the other six again.

I would venture to guess that not one of those guys filed an income tax return, not one got a penny back.

I know that the guy who actually came back did not file a return for the false name.

This story is repeated over and over again, with illegals everywhere.

Now, I'm not saying that this is OK, what I am saying is that when illegals work under fake ID's, what taxes they pay stay with the Feds.

And most employers will not hire anyone w/out the proper paperwork to cover their own behinds.

Illegals are illegals, there's no need to find more fault with them, the mere fact that they are here illegally is enough to deport them.

[Luis Gonzalez]

BTW, how can illegals work in this country w/out paying income taxes?

[WRhine]

The undocumented immigrants in the United States - 8 million, according to the National Office of the Census-

It is MUCH MUCH HIGHER than that. This is pure propaganda. If they reported the real number which is probably well north of 20 million it would shake up even some liberals.

pay taxes, keep inflation under control, are a cheap source of manual labor for agriculture and the service sector, and sustain economically a population that is aging very fast.¨.

Most illegals don't pay taxes but that's beside the point. Saying that illegal labor keeps inflation under control is another way of saying that illegal labor depresses "legal" wages for many American citizens which is another way of saying that illegal aliens are displacing American citizens out of the job market and the ones that hang on can't earn a living wage.

If cheap labor is all-good and the end all be all for a healthy economy why don't we invite the entire population of China here? Better yet, let's just ask the entire world to immigrate to America--no restrictions of any kind. Imagine how cheap labor rates would be then and how low inflation would be. Who cares if we would be the largest 3rd world nation history as ever seen. We would be the United States of the World!

[WRhine]

Care to add anything of substance PRND21? Or are you content to just heckle the concerns that patriotic citizens have about the ongoing MASSIVE INVASION of illegal aliens that is turning this country upside down? Oh that's right, you said you are against illegal immigration. Seems that you have a funny way of showing it.

[rebelsoldier]

Whore-hay Ramos is an idiot bigot who believes in a "racial" destiny for Hispanics, which by the way are NOT a race by any aspect. His tremendously stupid and self-centered ilk, like every single bed-wetting, America hating liberal moron, blames the plight of poor Hispanics on the United States "denying" them opportunity, instead of their own worthless shitholes of societies that exist in a stagnant third world state despite decades and decades and decades of US aid, assistance, and infrastructure building that are the root cause of all that happens to these people. In short, Ramos is playing an American and white guilt card so that the third world toilets these peasants flee like cockroaches from can't be blamed. No, instead whitey is to blame, even when it ain't whitey's fault or even whitey's country these people come from. By the way, Ramos is as "white" as they come, and is no more like the vast majority of "Hispanics" than Michael Jackson is typical of most blacks.

[WRhine]

LOL. Nevermind. I'm responding to a 3 month old thread. A Pinged Time Warp I guess...not that you are any different.

[PRND21]

Big soccer match Sunday night...
USA USA USA USA!

[WRhine]

Big soccer match Sunday night... USA USA USA USA!

hehehe. All the WAY! And I hope the game is more exciting than the Basketball and Hockey finals.

[c-b 1]

Perhaps there are other people with not such good intentions who are also using the open border so convenient to the Mexicans?

You got that right, drug trafficers, and coyotes smuggling in Middle Eastern men.

[c-b 1]

So, you all talk and gripe and complain. Im still down here on the border actually fighting, possibly, the American Govt! Go figger.

I commend you for having the courage to do what is right.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"And how much (in) taxes do they pay if they declare 10 dependants?"

Some, which proves the poster wrong.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"How does an illegal alien with 4 kids, who makes $20,000 a year, pay for this?"

I guess the same way that an American welfare mom with six kids pays for hers.

The problem is the welfare system.

[mrustow]

I hired some illegals once, I didn't know they were illegals at the time. They had the necessary paperwork to complete their I-9's, so I put them through our payroll procedures.

They (seven in total) worked for me for about ten months, then one day, one of them shows up and hands me a green card with a whole different name than the original one he had given me, this was when Reagan gave a bunch of illegals amnesty. This was his real card, and his real name, I never saw the other six again.

I would venture to guess that not one of those guys filed an income tax return, not one got a penny back.

I know that the guy who actually came back did not file a return for the false name.

This story is repeated over and over again, with illegals everywhere.

Now, I'm not saying that this is OK, what I am saying is that when illegals work under fake ID's, what taxes they pay stay with the Feds.

And most employers will not hire anyone w/out the proper paperwork to cover their own behinds.

Illegals are illegals, there's no need to find more fault with them, the mere fact that they are here illegally is enough to deport them.

Thanks for the explanation; you should have said that in the first place, instead of bringing up gasoline taxes.

[mrustow]

"Give me back my tax money that goes to illegals & I'll pay the extra nickle for my carrots."

Right, and we can do without broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower and asparagus altogether.

Some of us have already, out of patriotic duty and at great personal sacrifice, given up foods like brussels sprouts (neutrral, indeed!), cauliflower, and aparagus.

[mrustow]

BTW, how can illegals work in this country w/out paying income taxes?

Nobody works under the table in your neck of the woods?