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U.S. Troops Say Taliban Bunkers Like 'Castles'
AFP ^ | 3/16/02

Posted on 03/17/2002 9:01:39 AM PST by truthandlife

US troops dispatched to search out and destroy caves used by diehard al-Qaeda and Taliban forces in eastern Afghanistan have described how the extremists had erected a "castle" in their last-known stronghold.

Soldiers serving with the 10th mountain division said they had destroyed foxholes which could have housed "platoon-sized" units and contained major amounts of ammunition.

The unit was tasked with investigating the enemy defences on the peak of the Arma mountains around Shahi Kot valley in Paktia province.

They came across manned firing positions, bunkers and a large cave complex with a huge central chamber big enough to house around 80 fighters.

After wiping out the enemy resistance in one bunker they proceeded to blow up the rest of the complex. The side of the mountain then collapsed, thwarting any attempt to thoroughly examine the stronghold.

Sergeant Jonathan Wightman said the first bunker was "like a goddamned castle. It was the best bunker I have ever seen".

"We sprayed the whole thing and it did not even dint. We did not expect to see anything like that."

His colleague, Staff Sergeant Del Rodriguez, said: "It looked like they had been doing operations out of it (the bunker) for a while.

"I think they had had a platoon-sized element up there. Our job was to take out what we saw.

"We had support by fire light up the area which we wanted to take out and when we flanked to the right we came up on top of it and we came up on a huge firing position.

"The intelligence that we had was that the positions had been pounded and pounded and pounded (by air raids) but the two guys we found there looked like they were in the rebuilding stage."

Staff sergeant Lonnie Schultz said that two Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters were in the cave although one appeared to have been recently killed.

"He (Rodriguez) said 'Hey there's something right there' and soon as we crested the hill he was there so him and I both plugged him," said Schultz.

"It was not a pleasurable experience or something I would want to do again but we have to do what we have to do.

"I pushed forward from there and I came across the second guy. He looked like he was dead already but I was not going to take any chances."

Schultz shot the second fighter until he was sure he was dead.

"After that we bounced from firing positions to firing positions."

They then threw grenades into observation and ventilation holes around the bunker down which could be seen the central chamber.

"We fragged (threw fragmentable grenades in) all the litle spider holes. We threw a 10 pound (4.54 kg) satchel charge in there and it collapsed most of it.

"The secondary explosions were going off inside so there was ammunition of some kind down there (in the main chamber).

"The whole thing went like a battle drill. It was just perfect," said Wightman.

Schultz, describing the strength of the bunker, said they had fired an AT4 anti-tank missile at the position but it "bounced right off it".

The soldiers said the position was made of solid rock, boulders and wood over two levels with the firing positions and bunkers on one level and the main entrance to a living area on another level.

The firing position had been expertly established, offering views of both the valley and the sky and would have been virtually impossible to take by ground assaults if they had been fully manned.

They said every time they threw explosives down one of the holes they would see smoke coming from other holes all over the mountains.

"There was a big cave and bunker complex underneath. Whenever we dropped a grenade we would see smoke come out from all over the hills," said Rodriguez.

"We fragged the entrance and it collapsed. After we had fragged it so much and moved across (the top), it just started to collapse so we could not go inside."

The soldiers described the area as being littered with US cluster bombs and unexploded ordnance, adding to the dangers faced by troops as they searched the peak.

They said some of the men in their unit later reported seeing individuals running down the mountains and they also heard coalition Afghan soldiers on the valley floor engage in a firefight against fleeing enemy fighters.


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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Thanks for that insight. That's the first -- and only -- reasoning as to why we are risking our troops' lives instead of just incinerating and rubblizing everything in (or out) of sight.
21 posted on 03/17/2002 10:50:19 AM PST by elwoodp
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To: sixmil
On the other side, you'll see the Arabic for Acme.
22 posted on 03/17/2002 10:56:29 AM PST by dighton
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To: dighton
LOL, ACME.
23 posted on 03/17/2002 11:02:48 AM PST by grammymoon
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To: truthandlife
Let them hide in the mountains. Let them live there forever
24 posted on 03/17/2002 11:04:51 AM PST by uncbob
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To: thud
We need bigger bombs.

The USAF is building a _30,000 lb_ guided bomb for the B2. Imagine a hollow, pointed, explosive filled, depleted uranium penetrator the length of a telephone pole and dropped from 40,000 feet.

I understand a total of three are in rush production and they all have Saddam Hussein's picture on the side.

25 posted on 03/17/2002 11:15:40 AM PST by Dark Wing
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To: uncbob
Let them hide in the mountains. Let them live there forever

Yup. I'd have coalition forces hang around long enough to starve the the camel-jockies to death.

26 posted on 03/17/2002 11:24:02 AM PST by Cobra64
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27 posted on 03/17/2002 11:43:50 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: InvisibleChurch
The main gun on the tank in comment # 6 apparently had some sort of obstruction in the bore. Generally that's what gives the peeled banana look. You can do the same thing with deer rifle if you're dumb enough.
28 posted on 03/17/2002 11:58:00 AM PST by BLASTER 14
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To: InvisibleChurch
I think this illustrates well the dangers of a "Breach Birth". ;-)
29 posted on 03/17/2002 12:06:38 PM PST by PA Engineer
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To: PA Engineer
BUMP
30 posted on 03/17/2002 12:21:29 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: RightWhale
WD-40...don't forget the WD-40
31 posted on 03/17/2002 2:15:44 PM PST by VMI70
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To: truthandlife
"Sergeant Jonathan Wightman said the first bunker was "like a goddamned castle. It was the best bunker I have ever seen".

Apparently, the bunker was not that effective!

32 posted on 03/17/2002 2:58:35 PM PST by verity
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To: *Bush doctrine unfold
The term is "smokin' 'em out."
33 posted on 03/17/2002 3:05:32 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: truthandlife
Looks like a 200 lb. shell tried to go through the turret barrel with a 100 lb. shell capacity. And by golly it almost made it. The folks inside obviously didn't.
34 posted on 03/17/2002 4:35:18 PM PST by LaGrone
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To: truthandlife
"The unit was tasked with ..."

I hate to be such a nitpicker, but this pretentious crap is phony journalism. Can't these ignoramuses look in the ---ing dictionary or thesaurus for a WORD?? A NOUN IS NOT A VERB. < /rant>

35 posted on 03/17/2002 6:24:06 PM PST by redhead
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To: The Vast Right Wing
bump
36 posted on 03/17/2002 7:45:04 PM PST by timestax
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To: Sabertooth
bttt
37 posted on 03/17/2002 8:12:44 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: elwoodp
I doubt we could find any pertainent, important data in those caves...I say nuke them, and nuke them now!!Shoot, those terrorists got so many weapons, it's their faught if we blow up some of THEIR NUKES!
38 posted on 03/17/2002 8:19:41 PM PST by timestax
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the heads up!
39 posted on 03/17/2002 9:39:07 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: JamesWilson
Don't laugh, but it can be VERY disconcerting to have a "dead man" continue to stare straight at you after you've popped him...
You always want to "make sure"....
Semper Fi
40 posted on 03/17/2002 10:20:46 PM PST by river rat
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