Posted on 03/16/2002 12:50:08 PM PST by Tancredo Fan
Edited on 04/14/2004 10:05:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
That is exactly what has transpired this week. I don't buy this "liberalizing U.S. immigration policy is off the table" Spin from the Bush White House given the hardball tactics they used to push 245I through the House. If Bush can't get his open borders agenda through the front door, he will try to get it in through the backdoor...as we have seen. They spend their hours dreaming up charades to mislead the masses; which is not too hard to do when the media is on their side. At least on this issue.
We have to watch what Bush does, not what he says. He has rightfully earned our distrust.
Scream at the top of your lungs that the sky is falling at every opportunity, while people try to change the staus quo of mistrust along a 2000 mile border and at least try to make things better security wise and economically.
Meanwhile, I'll go there every year for a little R&R.
Last week it was lettuce, this week it's "hyperbole" you're stuck on. Feel free to debate us on the merits and benefits of mass illegal immigration to the US if you care to try. But your insults and one-liners are boring Dane.
Oh by the way, I'm still waiting for you to answer me if you're from Denmark and what you think of their clamping down on illegal immigration?
I heard Dick Morris say that the Republicans should pick an issue, and stick with it, one that they could win on, that would have the effect of getting out the vote. When pressed, he said, "Immigration".
Regardless of what you think about Morris, he is a good political strategist. I haven't heard him say any kind words about Clintoon and his legacy as an occasional political commentator on FNC, and he says so many things that make remarkable sense.
I really don't care about Denmark, anyway their illegal problem is with muslim immigrants and their own devolution into a socilaist secular humanism. Most of the illegals in the US are Catholics, which is a western religion(although to many on FR, Catholicism is the root of all evil and I thought those neanderthal days were over) , and they speak a Western language, Spanish.
Sorry I don't see the vast majority of Mexicans as the be all in evil as some do on FR.
I also see trying to work on some problems with a country that the US shares a 2000 mile border with as a step in the right direction minus the hyperbole that some use to whip up hysteria.
I really don't care about Denmark, anyway their illegal problem is with muslim immigrants and their own devolution into a socilaist secular humanism. Most of the illegals in the US are Catholics, which is a western religion(although to many on FR, Catholicism is the root of all evil and I thought those neanderthal days were over) , and they speak a Western language, Spanish.
Denmark doesn't speak a Western language? What you're saying is in effect Denmark has some merit in keeping out Muslim illegals because it goes against their concept of thought and governing - "secular humanism". The US was founded on British Protestant heritage which included in writing the rule of law. Why can't we as a nation live by those principles the way Denmark lives by theirs?
What difference does it make if their Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, or atheist, if one is here illegally the the laws against them should be enforced, don't you agree?
Well those laws haven't been enforced for years and a number of people have made lives here and that's what 245 was trying to settle, where someone with a sponsor or a spouse in the US could apply for a green card and it applies to an estimated 200,000 and not the millions that have been screamed about.
Like it or not the "dream", that some on FR propose, of going house to house and kicking out people and selling their belongings is not going to happen but is truly mean spirited.(I know that is a liberal catch phrase that has been bastardized by liberals, but it applies to some on FR, IMHO)
Face it we have a 2000 mile border with Mexico and there is a problem due to years of lax law enforcement. I am glad Bush is looking at the problem instead of the neglect of 8 years of Clinton.
You can, IMHO, scream that the end of the world is near, but I will take the positive tact that America has survived 200 years of immigration and will survive another 200.
You said it, not me. And the answer at this point is not to solve it by more amnesties, that only encourages more of the same. No we need to make it clear to all illegals, those that are here, and any potential ones their behavior will not be rewarded.
As far as enforcement of current laws, going door to door is not necessary. By simply deputizing all police agencies in the country with the abililty to arrest any illegals they happen upon in their routine duties and handing them over to the INS for deportation, would solve at least half the problem. Many illegals would go home on their own if they understood their presence here is not acceptable.
Legal immigration is debatable, if the country is in such dire straits it can't function properly without low wage workers, then a guest worker program with clearly worked out stipulations that are in the best interest of the country is attainable. But the chaos we now have cannot be defended on sentiment and emotion. It has to be solved if we are to put legality back into the immigration process.
Does a person's religion and native language define them as a part of Westrn Civilization ? If so, Haitians who are overwhelmingly Catholic and speak French as well as Fillipinos who have Spanish surnames and are Catholic as well as many Hong Kong Chinese who speak English and are Christian as well as many South African blacks that speak English and are Christian etc. are all included as representatives of Western Civilization. Now personally, I think that is pushing the envelope a bit. Kind of like the Eddie Murphy movie Trading Places. Does a person's identity completely change if their language and religion changes ? What defines Western Culture ? Is Western Culture epitomized by a language or religion native to Europe ? How does the philosophy and culture engendered by Greco-Roman Western Civilization fit into this ? I think Western Culture / Civilization is deeper than just a religion or language.
Does the country have a choice? This whole immigration issue can't be put off any longer. It has to be confronted by someone willing to take it on.
1. Compassion for the compassionate, we did not all just arrive in the USofA last week, for generations natural born Americans have welcomed new arrivals to partake and share in the freedoms and benefits of our blood bought Constitution and Bill of Rights. Now both natural born and new Americans have suffered the worst attack in our history, with more to come, perhaps nuclear, by those we have been generous with. We all deserve and should demand a halt to immigration/visas until an agency is in place that affords more protection to this population.
2. The Constitution/Bill of Rights, what is their future when we have a growing third world immigrant population that have not been educated as to the reason America is free? We have a some what normal Balkanization as these new groups congregate and carve out neighborhoods for themselves. The danger in this, is their numbers and the lack of assimilation into a cohesive united society. Their lack of education on the important fundamentals of our freedom doesn't bode well for the safety and continuation of the priciples that have vouch safed their freedoms, or our's, or that of following generations. Especially at the voting booth where ones stomach is usually the determining factor in choice of candidates.
3. Economics, it is not ok, to maintain that illegals and third world immigrants pay taxes, when the taxes most pay, if they pay taxes at all, is not even enough to cover the cost of the education of their children per year. This fact alone demands a cap on immigration. Our economy, our legal citizens, are being crushed under the weight of providing services for those that cannot provide them at all. New schools, free medical, the use of resources, gasoline, electricity (think California), fresh water, WIC, Welfare, have all become strained because of an uncontrolled flood of humanity that cannot be economically sustained through burdensome taxes or corporate/small business growth.
4. Race is not a factor, if the European's that founded these documents had bred generations of racists to follow them, the first congress that uttered the word immigration would have been hung. The doors of American would have been shut with bands of iron. That has never been the case. The openess and generosity of all Americans is world famous. However, we have a duty, and an obligation, not to sink to third world status in order to be "equal". The equality defended by our Constitution is equality of freedom to try. This interpretation that we must all have the same was never it's meaning. Not all men are equal in intelligence or ambition. I am not Einstein, never will be, I will never have a villa, or live in an upscale neighborhood, I don't resent those that do, in fact I point to them with pride in their accomplishment. Our open immigration was to lift the lives of all men, not lower ours. A yearly vacation with the family was the norm, savings for retirement and our childrens education was a struggle but doable. Not anymore, and this is the result of insane immigration policies that calls for over taxation of citizens. There is a balance to be found and we must find it and do the responsible thing that will allow us to demand intelligent, honest application of the money we give in foreign aide to make better the lives of ordinary men. To bring the world up to the standard of life of Americans without lowering our standards into the poor house.
Oh please not this canard again. Are you and Howlin capable of shilling for Bush’s open borders inanities without resorting to Straw Man arguments? No one serious about turning back the tide of illegal immigration in this country advocates deporting illegals at gunpoint. Those who have studied this realize that the solutions to reduce illegal immigration will take years to be successful because the problem is so pervasive.
What are my ideas? The first thing is to seal the borders with the help of the military. What’s the military for if not to protect our country from foreign invasion? Next is to do what reaganwuzthebest suggested which is to instruct law enforcement departments throughout the country that they are to detain and hand over to the INS all aliens here illegally as they find them in the course of their work. If the INS doesn’t have the current manpower for this, then increase their budget until they do. This will also require that Bush fire Ziglar and replace him with an effective manager who does not have any open conflicts about executing the duties of the job.
Perhaps the most effective remedy is to actually enforce the dormant laws on illegal immigration and exact stiff fines on businesses that hire illegal aliens to the fullest extent of the law. If the current law is not enough of a deterrent then change the law to make it uneconomical for businesses to hire illegals. Another much needed change is to fix the 14th amendment loophole so that there is NO incentive for border hopping Hispanics to run to the nearest American hospital to drop off their anchor baby and get on America’s gravy train of welfare.
There are many more actions that can be taken that can reduce illegal immigration down to a manageable problem.
Your tired, redundant, one-liner neo-con slogans only evidence the intellectual bankruptcy of your knee-jerk open borders philosophy.
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