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Prosecutors 'Seriously Considering' Case Against Russell Yates (Negligent Homicide)
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| March 16, 2002 SGT
| Elenn Davis and Mike von Fremd
Posted on 03/16/2002 7:41:28 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: StolarStorm
of unthinking inflexible fundementalism.Which might be the reason he figured he had to stay with a homocidal maniac and make his marriage and family work out no matter what. I don't know if it was from religion or some other committment he believed he had with her ---but she was a danger to kids and most likely to him, he should have dumped her and moved on. You can't cure the insane by being married to them, not even the psychiatrists can cure insanity.
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:45:20 AM PST
by
FITZ
To: NevadaY
"A parent's first obligation is NOT to his/her children. It is to their spouse."A parent's first obligation is to their CHILDREN.
I have lived with someone who is seriously mentlly ill: my brother.
The fact is that if I felt that my spouse was in any way a danger to my children, we would be outta here.
That, sir, is called the mother instinct, and it is obviously not something Andrea Yates had.
To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Why don't you cut the juvenile crap and stay on topic? Wrong address bud! It is rintense who is enthusiastic about homosexuality in prison. Write to him.
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:45:59 AM PST
by
A. Pole
To: codebreaker
I'll agree with that. But then his doctor had told him she was better and didn't even need the medication any longer.
My first wife used to get depressed. I'd leave for work in the morning and she was happy as a lark. We'd been "close" that morning and she would have adoration written all over her face as we hugged and said good-bye with a peck on the cheek. I'd walk up the hill thinking life doesn't get better than this. Then four hours later I'd return home for lunch to a person that wouldn't even talk to me. She wouldn't even tell me what was wrong.
I don't know this woman's frame of mind when he left. She may have been totally fine one minute and wigged out the next. I dont' know.
I can tell you that when I was a young parent I used to think my own shortcomings were the cause for the depression. It wasn't until decades later that I realized it was a medical problem for which she never recieved treatment.
I realize that depression is different than skitzoid maladies, but I'll bet they come and go in about the same manner. I'd be willing to bet that if this woman's charts were opened up, there'd be a wealth of information that should have prevented this tragedy.
Groups sessions, private interviews and the history of the patient had to have been ignored by the professionals in this case. I'd like to know where this physician obtained his license. Where was he from? I'll bet there's a story waiting to be reported here.
To: Bommer
Yes I agree he allowed his children to be around this deranged woman, I'm just not sure he knew until it was too late how deranged she was. I do blame him in a way for not taking her to some state hospital or at least back to her parents, somehow winning custody of those kids ---even by kidnapping them and heading for Mexico with them. No way should had have let her stay in that house with those kids around----we can all see that now, but before she hurt them, I'm not sure it was as obvious.
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:49:47 AM PST
by
FITZ
To: NevadaY
My total sympathies to you and your family. Mental illness is a horrific thing. But tell me, would you, knowing what you knew about your brother, allow him to watch your children as well as homeschool them for an 8 hour day? This is the argument against Russell Yates! He knew his wife was sick, and he compounded the problem by making her home school his kids as well as take care of a baby! Thats too taxing to a person straight in the head. Imagine doing to a mentally ill person and then tell me he is not culpable!
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:49:49 AM PST
by
Bommer
To: MeeknMing
Thanks, MnM. That article should be enough to make anyone cry. Now I believe even more strongly that Russel should be charged.
To: ctonious
If that is true, I would have to agree that he was complicit in the deaths of his children. I would concede under those circumstances and join those desiring to see him prosecuted.
To: NevadaY
Your story is not the same as Russell Yates-it sounds like your family, even your brother in law, tried their best to manage the schizophrenia- I can't see where anyone in your situation did anything wrong. Our point is that it seems that Russell Yates, from his own testimony and interviews, did not try very hard to deal with his wife's illness-either from denial,ignorance or something darker.
To: A. Pole
It is rintense.... Write to him.
May want to check that profile...
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:52:05 AM PST
by
Ulysses
To: Squantos; GeronL; Billie; sinkspur; Slyfox; San Jacinto; SpookBrat; COB1; DainBramage; Dallas...
Prosecutors 'Seriously Considering' Case Against Russell Yates (Negligent Homicide) Prosecutors will weigh a number of factors that may lead them to prosecute Andrea Yates husband Russell for either child endangerment or negligent homicide. ABC News has learned.
No decision has been made, but it is being seriously considered, sources said. Prosecutors would charge Russell Yates if an when the evidence warrants, but do not have the evidence now, sources said.
Andrea Yates 37, was convicted Tuesday of two capital murder charges filed in the killings of her children last June.
See post #140 also for relevant information. . .
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To: A. Pole
"Write to him. " Sorry budrick, no can do. Firstly, you were the first one to start hurling insults.
Secondly, him ain't a him. Him is a her. Try doing some research before you start making assumptions about people and tossing off insults.
Now go sit down in the corner and let the adults talk.
To: NevadaY
Did the voices just come on or had he had them before?
To: FITZ
When pressure from raising their children appeared to be getting to Mrs. Yates, she could always look forward to Thursdays. Mr. Yates testified that for three hours once each week from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. Mrs. Yates could do whatever she wanted, alone, without the children. The free time was to provide some relief for his wife, Mr. Yates said. "I guess that's what we decided," he said.
Mrs. Yates is a diagnosed schizophrenic predisposed to pitch-black depressions that followed the births of her last two children.
He knew about her problem 2 kids ago! No REAL parent would allow someone, even a mother or father to raise children when they are diagnosed so severely! I would never take that risk! Case Closed!
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:55:34 AM PST
by
Bommer
To: NevadaY
My mother and I went through the same thing with my brother.
To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Interesting, isn't it, that she failed to kill herself in her first two "attempts". But she did not fail to kill five little children. I wonder if there any statistics that show a relationship between attempted suicide and and the prospects of future murder(s)? I think attempted suicide used to be illegal, which maybe if it was still, she would of been under the jurisdiction of a court.
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:57:38 AM PST
by
bjs1779
To: Zviadist
...anti-family elite want them to react. Excuse me, but could you tell me exactly what is "anti-family" about expecting a father and husband to care for a wife who is suffering from a mental disorder and protecting his children?
This man could have taken paid leave (the government provides plenty) and made sure that his family was safe and cared for.
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:59:40 AM PST
by
scholar
To: watchin
"Oh, I agree. He was negligent, but watch the excuse-makers fall silent as he goes on trial."Absolutely...though if he is as controlling as the article about Andrea's "strict schedule" seems to indicate, it sounds as though he's a few beers short of a sixpack himself.
To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
As for Russell Yates--who is only a series of electrons and audio impulses--we know nothing of what is going through his mind. Oh so Russell Yates is a series of electron and audio impulses, whats he wife?? He's just an automaton and shes Hitler jr. right? But hes normal and shes insane? So much for your argument!
As for expert opinions, the psycologist that was treating her said under oath that she warned both of them not to have anymore children. Then came baby #5.
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posted on
03/16/2002 9:59:50 AM PST
by
Bommer
To: NevadaY
While I agree with some of your opinings and appreciate your heartflet empathy for mentally ill folks and those who must deal with them, I strongly disagree on the spouse/spouse and parent/child axis. A parent's responsibility to a child (especially a young one) is paramount. Spousal love is a self need love and one hopes for reciprocation. Being a parent is a responsibility and contrary to boomer conventional wisdom, in my view the child's need to feel loved and wanted is stronger than a parent's love or devotion. Andrea Yates and her husband obviously failed miserably here. The huge numbers of children feeling unloved or unwanted by their parents is in my view the strongest contributor to the dissolution of our culture and society. Illegitimacy is the root evil in this mass feeling of neglect.
Now, whether or not Mr Yates is culpable to a criminal level is subject to conjecture but I fear it plays directly into the hands of responsibility shifting....a common theme in our ragged society.
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