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Immigration Amnesty Passes House
Fox News ^ | 03/13/02

Posted on 03/13/2002 3:24:46 AM PST by Enemy Of The State

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt said he would support the bill with the border security provisions.

WASHINGTON

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To: Helix
I wonder how much they can afford working all those sweatshop jobs at less than minimum wage?THEY are being exploited as well.

This argument won't be solved here. Perhaps it will at election time.

Nope the arguement won't be solved by demagougues whose only arguement is "kick the bastards" out and put their head in the sand that we share a 2000 mile border with Mexico.

221 posted on 03/13/2002 10:09:30 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Also major efforts should be made to help economies south of the border.

So they need all these hard working people more than we do, right. If they're such a valuable asset, why is Fox trying so hard to get rid of them?

222 posted on 03/13/2002 10:10:03 AM PST by Dakmar
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To: Dane
They are hard working and help the economy. Great. Then why not return them to the country of origin from whence they left illegally, so they can endulge in nation building and improve their economy through their hard work and industriousness.
223 posted on 03/13/2002 10:10:48 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The latinos are sending all or most of their (under the table) earnings home, while pretending to be poor and getting social benefits!!!I know buddy, I've seen it first hand!!
225 posted on 03/13/2002 10:11:26 AM PST by timestax
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To: Dane
Like it or not they help the economy. These people after a day of cleaning toilets, working out in the fields, and working in searing heat putting roofs on buildings, go out and buy food, clothes, and other consumer goods.

Why are you determined to ignore the government's own data, which indicates illegals are a net drain on the economy?

227 posted on 03/13/2002 10:12:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: fivecatsandadog
The immigration portion of the bill would extend a deadline for giving **hundreds of thousands** of illegal immigrants the chance to apply for residency without leaving the United States. Many of those immigrants are here on work visas that have expired, but they did not leave the country, officials said. **WHO is going to TRACK these people?

That's exactly right. The INS has ZERO credibility in monitoring, tracking, and controlling immigration as we were again reminded of yesterday. Only the naive could think that the INS is going to be suddenly competent in processing green cards for this horde of illegal aliens many of which are quite experienced in gaming our system. This is especially true with Ziglar at he helm. The long-term track record of the INS is one of abject failure.

228 posted on 03/13/2002 10:13:04 AM PST by WRhine
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To: dougherty
Oh, we couldn't also have a brother-in-law come to the United States who had commenced the legal procedures and excercised patience and RESPECT FOR THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES to be admitted as an immigrant, could we? Shame! /sarcasm
229 posted on 03/13/2002 10:14:45 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: WRhine
INS should all be FIRED!!!
230 posted on 03/13/2002 10:14:58 AM PST by timestax
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To: Dane
Like it or not they help the economy

You are correct but you completely miss the point.

While immigrants do contribute to the GDP they are absolutely overwhelming our domestic infrastructure, particularly in boarder states. The problem is sheer numbers.

Because of these number their prescence is absolutely drowning social safety nets and the public services sector of state and local governments.

Aggravating the situation is the fact that immigrants in these boarder states pay little of no property or income taxes which is the backbone of essential services financing.

Because of these numbers our society no longer has the ability to assimilate (indoctrinate) these masses and we are left with a mulicultral enviornment and all the baggage that accompanies this circumstance.

231 posted on 03/13/2002 10:15:06 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Helix
"I wonder how much they can afford working all those sweatshop jobs at less than minimum wage?THEY are being exploited as well."

Don't worry. The aclu and many of "our" reps. will be screaming about it before the ink dries on their citizenship papers. Legislative handouts, unionization, higher mandatory wages, health benefits, and more tearing this country apart will follow.

232 posted on 03/13/2002 10:15:07 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: AmericanInTokyo
By the way, it was precisely the strategy of the White House and their Hill handlers, to slip in something dangerous into a bill that had elements of positive things.

What is dangerous about knowing who these people are. Is a terrorist going to "come out" of hiding to get a green card?

Yes the INS is a mess, but that bill passed yesterday would increase their funding and personnel and you have to remember that there was 96 month timetable where Clinton had his imprint over the INS.

233 posted on 03/13/2002 10:15:47 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dakmar
So they need all these hard working people more than we do, right.

Yep, they do. They just don't GET it.

If they're such a valuable asset, why is Fox trying so hard to get rid of them?

Because they aren't of pure Castillian descent--most are mestizos (Spanish and Indian mixture), and all of them are NOT from the priveleged "first families" of Mexico. There's a lot of racism in Mexico.

234 posted on 03/13/2002 10:17:39 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: PRS
Well it takes one to know one, doesn't it.

I was going to use a Clark Griswold quote from the movie "Vacation" quote to describe your reply #226, but this is a family forum and will abide by the rules.

235 posted on 03/13/2002 10:20:03 AM PST by Dane
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To: timestax
I totally agree with Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, this bill rewards immigrants who violate the law. Period! Especially when you consider the current state of affairs, I refer to America being at war with international terorrism. Under normal circumstances, perhaps the immigration process could be speeded up and some exceptions could be made.

But for the most part, this is a bad bill and very bad timing, on the part of the Bush administration.

236 posted on 03/13/2002 10:21:39 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Pathetic. Keep trying though. It's fun to witness your implosion. :-)

Dane's imlosion has been going on for days now. At first it was fun to watch, but it has become tedious and a bore. I bypass each message it writes, but it seems as if every other message is someone responding to him.

237 posted on 03/13/2002 10:22:31 AM PST by dougherty
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To: Dane
Is a terrorist going to "come out" of hiding to get a green card?

Well hell yes they would for ID alone. Do you think all these 911 terrorist were hiding?

They were living and traveling amoug us! Jezzzz!

238 posted on 03/13/2002 10:22:55 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Poohbah
If this is a "MASSIVE MEXICAN INVASION," you already know the solution. Your refusal to entertain said solution is quite telling.

I've gone on record numerous times here on FR with the needed tough actions to roll back illegal immigration. Unfortunately it takes courage and commitment from our so-called leaders, which sadly is lacking today. But for starters I would instruct all law enforcement in this nation enforce the immigration laws ALREADY on the books. I would put the military on our borders. I would give whatever resources the border patrol and INS needs to do their jobs. Companies hiring illegal aliens would be penalized to the extent that it becomes uneconomical to employ illegal help.

If you want further details on what I think is necessary to combat illegal immigration go to my FR site and find last post to Miss Marple about a week ago.

239 posted on 03/13/2002 10:24:08 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Enemy Of The State
There's a story about a New Mexico prof claiming that the Southwest will secede from the US, in the headline of Hollywood Investigator
240 posted on 03/13/2002 10:24:09 AM PST by Commie Basher
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