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So where is the plane?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 3/10/02 | Geoff Metcalf

Posted on 03/10/2002 9:55:18 PM PST by CalConservative

I receive a lot of strange information from a wide variety of sources. Some of it is intriguing. Some of it is flat-out weird. I try (and frequently fail) to temporarily set aside my own personal prejudices to objectively as possible consider the merits of both the intriguing and weird.

Recently, an interesting French website has been asking questions about the crash of American Airlines Flight 77, which reportedly crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

The conventional wisdom has been inculcated into us that there were four terrorist hijacked airplanes that tragic day. But there are refutations for each of the official scenarios floating around. The conspiracy theory industry hasn't been this jazzed since the JFK assassination.

However, in the shadow of the creative writing, multi-phased propaganda and bovine excrement, there are several questions that at least should be asked and answered.

The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.
– Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels

The French website has pictures of the Pentagon from Sept. 11. I looked at the pictures shown and, frankly, (despite my visceral reluctance to buy into another conspiracy) can't answer the questions raised. Maybe our readers can? Click on the French link and let us know what you think. I have also viewed the MSNBC footage over two dozen times and I still can't see the plane. Can you?


1. The first satellite image shows the section of the building that was hit by the Boeing. In the image, the second ring of the building is also visible. It is clear that the aircraft only hit the first ring. The four interior rings remain intact. They were only fire-damaged after the initial explosion.

How can a Boeing 757-200 – weighing nearly 100 tons and traveling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour – only have damaged the outside of the Pentagon?


2. The next two photographs show the building just after the attack. The aircraft apparently only hit the ground floor. The four upper floors collapsed toward 10:10 am. The building is 78 feet high.

How can a plane 44.7 feet high, over 155 feet long, with a wingspan of almost 125 feet and a cockpit almost 12 feet high, crash into just the ground floor of this building?


3. Look at the photograph of the lawn in front of the damaged building.

Where is the debris? Any debris! Did it all disintegrate on contact?


4. There are photographs, which show representations of a Boeing 757-200 superimposed on the section of the building that was hit.

What happened to the wings of the aircraft? Why isn't there any wing damage?


5. One journalist asked: "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?" At a press conference the day after the tragedy, Arlington County Fire Chief Ed Plaugher said, "First of all, the question about the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation. I'm talking about, but not large sections."

The follow-up question asked, "In other words, there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing?" Plaugher replied, "You know, I'd rather not comment on that. We have a lot of eyewitnesses that can give you better information about what actually happened with the aircraft as it approached. So we don't know. I don't know."

Wait a minute! Time after time (Oklahoma City bombing, TWA Flight 800, Flight 93 et al.) we are told not to depend on eyewitnesses?

When asked by a journalist: "Where is the jet fuel?" The chief responded, "We have what we believe is a puddle right there that the … what we believe is to be the nose of the aircraft."


Notwithstanding the collective myopia in not being able to see what we are being told, there are more questions.

One pilot wrote, "I flew the Boeing 747 jumbo jet, but not this 757 … from what I see (or don't see) looking at these pictures, it's hard to pick out aircraft parts:

Whatever inexplicable anomalies exist, the passengers on Flight 77 died that tragic day. Barbara Olson called her husband from Flight 77 and told him about the hijacking in progress. There was most certainly an American Airlines Flight 77 with real people on board, and families in grief.

What did happen to the plane? Where is it?


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: airseclist; conspiracytheories; flight77; terrorwar; tinfoilhat
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To: CalConservative
Oh for heavens sake. Ask Ted Olson if there was a plane and ask the families of all the other passengers as well.
61 posted on 03/11/2002 11:48:07 AM PST by Texas Mom
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To: DallasDeb
I know an eyewitness (my dentist) who was on another flight bound for National airport and was shocked to see the flight moving so fast at such low altitude away from the airport, then saw the impact and fireball. Another passenger saw it, too. Then their flight was diverted to Dulles. I guess the government/aliens took over his brain, too, just to fool me. He probably implanted transponders in my teeth, too.
62 posted on 03/11/2002 11:55:19 AM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: CalConservative
We are accustomed to seeing wreakage strewn over an expanded area because there was nothing to stop the momentum of the plane once it hit the ground.

This plane was halted by a heavily reinforced structure. I thought that I had read where this section of the Pentagon had already undergone the remodeling/restructuring that included significant reinforcement of the outer walls and the walls between sections, both within and on either side. It seems I also remember comments being made that this is the reason the damage was localized to the specific area.

Think of the jet coming in for a "landing", only instead of near horizontal to the ground, the nose is pointed more directly to the ground, almost perpendicular. Is it possible that this is how the plane came in? That could account for the total enveloping of the wings, tail, and fuselage with jet fuel and multiple explosions. In the MSNBC video, there seems to be a series of explosions that cause the fire to go straight up rather than outward.

63 posted on 03/11/2002 11:57:57 AM PST by DallasDeb
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To: CalConservative
This thread is an embarrassment to Free Republic.
64 posted on 03/11/2002 12:10:57 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
Agreed.
65 posted on 03/11/2002 1:03:15 PM PST by _Jim
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To: Shooter 2.5
Yea, but what does it say about WorldNutDaily?
66 posted on 03/11/2002 1:37:00 PM PST by TomB
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To: CalConservative
I saw pictures on some website that showed a red-white blue aluminium skin pieces - about 3'x5' on the lawn in front of the hole in the Pentagon - probably blown back by the blast.

But don't let me stop you - you look good in tin-foil.

67 posted on 03/11/2002 1:48:29 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: CalConservative
Dear JimRob: DUMP this stupid thread already. It reeeks of tinfoil and makes us look bad.
68 posted on 03/11/2002 1:50:51 PM PST by a merkin
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To: unamused
That is the first time I've seen this photo or any photo with parts of the plane. Perhaps we should email this to Geoff Metcalf. Thanks!
69 posted on 03/11/2002 1:55:14 PM PST by CalConservative
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To: CalConservative
Here we go again!

Sorry folks, I live near the Pentagon. I've met people who heard the plane coming in. I saw the smoke and the wreckage less than 10 minutes after impact. I know exactly where the damage occurred, since I drive by that part of the Pentagon several times a week. I heard and felt the seconday explosion of the propane tank (I was in the shower when the plane first hit or I would have heard that as well).

To think there was anything other than an airplane crash is patently insane. Play with the conspiracy if you like, but recognize that it is not reality.

70 posted on 03/11/2002 2:16:58 PM PST by angkor
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To: TomB
I thought the web site was pretty bad when they came up with that stupid scenario about the sniper in Israel. I should make a list with the names of anyone who believes this nonsense. It will save me the trouble of arguing with someone.
71 posted on 03/11/2002 3:01:30 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: CalConservative
"Where is it?"

You need to get out more. If you hit a shredder at 500 MPH, just how many recognizable chunks of CalConservative would we find?

72 posted on 03/11/2002 3:05:31 PM PST by lawdude
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To: unamused
gee, looks like aircraft debris to me! Mystery solved.
73 posted on 03/11/2002 3:36:46 PM PST by RangeRatt
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To: RangeRatt
I personally am glad this was posted, because of all the follow up proof that it was an airplane. It shows me how FR works through these questions, and good, solid info comes out. If some friend of mine remarks on the tin-foil idea, I can set him straight with the proof you have all provided. Thank you, I consider it good service to all of us. "and the Truth Shall Set You Free"
74 posted on 03/11/2002 4:01:35 PM PST by Minnesota Lady
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To: CalConservative
Isn't Washington, DC built on marshland?

-PJ

75 posted on 03/11/2002 4:10:39 PM PST by Political Junkie Too
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To: Political Junkie Too
Isn't Washington, DC built on marshland?

Yep, just like the "pentagon plane crash was a hoax" conspiracy theory.

76 posted on 03/11/2002 5:19:42 PM PST by TomB
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To: CalConservative
BUMP
77 posted on 03/12/2002 10:08:05 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: Texas_Jarhead
"Looking at the high-res images it is interesting that the lawn is so free of debris."

Surely they found the passports of the four hijackers?

78 posted on 03/12/2002 10:12:10 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: CalConservative
What would you have us do? Crash empty planes into the Pentagon so we can have a useful model?
79 posted on 03/12/2002 10:14:12 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: unamused; CalConservative
So where is the plane?

Dare itiz bowth.


80 posted on 03/12/2002 10:29:11 AM PST by Gumption
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