Posted on 03/08/2002 1:24:33 PM PST by sarcasm
ROTFL! You're cracking me up. I'm still waiting for you to send him to the board to write 100 times "illegal means 'prohibited by law'."
Only the best for you, Mr. Davis!
Thinden, up north sounds nice. Florence is beautiful I hear. Maybe we can all go in together and
score a small vineyard and palazzo that may be for sale in Tuscany.
EBUCK
Our yard when I was a kid was overrun with apple trees as were most of the neighbors. I must have been a bad girl and just didn't realize it helping to pick all them apples like I did. We always had more apples than we knew what to do with. My great-grandma was known for having over 100 ways to prepare them. And I'd never even HEARD of a Mexican back then.
It's pretty obvious Arne won the debate on this thread, against around 1,000 of you "regulars".
Your "attack mode" is transparent.
Arne cited court cases, you make fun of his name.
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1,000 shills----0
Amen, sneaky....I don't know about the 'oddest'....perhaps the 'oldest'....it surely isn't a club anyone wants to join.
Its amazing, though, how people generally come to see the light--seems like it most often just depends on when their 'pet' issue is gored. A bit reminescent of the high school/college age folks that are liberal to the nines who by their late 40s/early 50s 'see' the light and become conservative.
You're bring up old memories. LOL!! I have been sent to the old blackboard many times.
I will not shoot spitballs in class.
I will not shoot spitballs in class.
Just 98 more times and I will be done.
And, of course, the kneepadders would give him extra credit for said "passionate' temperament!!! LOL.
So, states can't even deny an illegal the right to vote? You seem to be saying that a person can (and must) be accorded all the rights and privileges of a state, i.e. citizenship in that state, while at the same time not being a citizen of the United States which would mean that states have taken over the role of naturalization which is clearly given to federal government in the Constitution. The Constitution does not obligate nor permit states to grant de facto citizenship to foreign nationals (in fact it prohibits it).
What the Constitution says and what an activist federal judge says that it says may be entirely different. The Constitution does say is that it pertains "to ourselves and our posterity", meaning legal citizens -- not anybody who happens to break in. Thomas Jefferson said that "The first consideration in immigration should always be the welfare of the receiving country". The founding fathers were not for open borders at all. And they were not immigrants either, as many rant, because they could not have immigrated to a country before it existed.
Now that it has been 6 months later, the PC warriors are out again defending the "rights" of non-citizens that are from nations whose government (and people) want to see us destroyed as a nation."
I posted this article recently on the Arkansas chapter forum from Whistleblower magazine. The numbers alone are staggering, but anybody who thinks this issue is only about Mexicans is deluding themselves. I have edited it severely since I seem to be having trouble getting it to post in its entireity. What's up with that anyway. I've been having that trouble a LOT since the changes!
'Arab terrorists' Crossing Border
COCHISE COUNTY, Ariz. -- .....The numbers of unauthorized immigrants smuggled across this porous border dumbfound the imagination. To date, the U.S. Border Patrol has apprehended 158,782 illegals in 2001. By the Border Patrol's own admission, it catches one alien in five, and admits that around 800,000 have slipped across the U.S. line this year. The local ranchers, who have been watching the border for several generations, strongly disagree. They contend the agency only nets one in 10...
The foot traffic is so heavy that the backcountry has the ambience of a garbage dump and smells like an outdoor privy. In places, the land is littered a foot deep with bottles, cans, soiled disposable diapers, sanitary napkins, panties, clothes, backpacks, human feces, used toilet paper, pharmacy bottles and syringes (the drug runners inject stimulants to keep their energy up).
....As one agent who spoke anonymously said, "Look, I can tell you a lot of stories, but I have to remain unnamed or I will be blackballed and might lose my job." Then, worriedly, he added, "I have a family depending on me."
Another agent, of supervisory rank, stated, "The smuggling traffic of Mexicans has really slowed. We are experiencing a tremendous increase in OTMs" – border lingo for "other than Mexicans." When queried about the ethnic make up of the OTMs, he answered, "... it varies, but about one in every 10 that we catch, is from a country like Yemen or Egypt."
Border Patrol spokesperson Rene Noriega stated that the number of other-than-Mexican detentions has grown by 42 percent....
Arabs have been reported crossing the Arizona border for an unknown period. Border rancher George Morgan encounters thousands of illegals crossing his ranch on a well-used trail. He relates a holiday event: "It was Thanksgiving 1998, and I stepped outside my house and there were over a hundred 'crossers' in my yard. Damnedest bunch of illegals I ever saw. All of them were wearing black pants, white shirts and string ties. Maybe they were hoping to blend in," he chuckled. "They took off, I called the Border Patrol, and a while later, an agent, Dan Green, let me know that they had caught them. He said that they were all Iranians."
According to Border Patrol spokesperson Rob Daniels, "Ten Egyptians were arrested recently near Douglas, Arizona. Each had paid $7,000 to be brought from Guatemala into Mexico and then across the border."
According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, hours after the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, an anonymous caller led Mexican immigration agents to 41 undocumented Iraqis waiting to cross into the United States.
The Associated Press reported that Mexican immigration police detained 13 citizens of Yemen on Sept. 24, 2001, who were reportedly waiting to cross the border into Arizona. The Yemenis were arrested Sunday in Agua Prieta, across the border from Douglas. Luis Teran Balaguer, assistant head of immigration in the northern state of Sonora, said, "The evidence indicates that they have nothing to do with terrorist activities."
The Agua Prieta, Mexico newspaper, El Ciarin, clearly did not agree with Balaguer's assessment. The editor, Jose Noriega Durazo, claimed in a front-page El Ciarin headline, "ESTUVIERON AQUI TERRORISTAS ARABES!" (The Arab terrorists were here!) El Ciarin quoted Agua Prieta police officials as identifying the 13 Yemenis as terrorists. Reportedly, the Mexican immigration police returned the Yemenis to a federal detention center near Mexico City, but new information would indicate that they were "released" and returned to Agua Prieta.
Carlos X. Carrillo, assistant chief U. S. Border Patrol, Tucson Sector, told WorldNetDaily in a telephone interview Monday that nine Yemenis were reportedly holed up in a hotel in the border town of Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico, across the border from Douglas, Ariz.
When pressed for more information, he said he could not confirm the number of OTMs or Middle-Easterners apprehended while crossing the American/Mexican border. "We are under OP/SEC and cannot divulge this," the chief said. (OP/SEC is a counter-intelligence acronym for operations security.)
On Oct. 12, a Mexican national, associated with the hotel in Agua Prieta, abandoned it and moved to Arizona -- to hide out. Speaking on condition of anonymity, he told WND: "There were 13 Arabs there when I left. They were paying the coyotes 30 to 50,000 bucks, apiece, to transport them safely into the U.S. I became so frightened I left. They are genuinely bad hombres." Since Carrillo had reported only nine Arabs at the hotel, it is unclear if the missing five Yemenis made it into the U.S. as reported. .....
Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., in an Oct. 9 speech to the House of Representatives, stated, "It's almost incredible to recognize, as part of the overall strategy this government is going to employ to deal with the issue of terrorism, that we would not concentrate heavily on securing our borders and try to do everything humanly possible to stop people, who have evil intent, from coming into the United States." .....
"There is only one way to handle this," the colonel says firmly. "In a world now filled with biowarfare agents, backpack nuclear devices and chemical weapons like Sarin gas, we must militarize the border. There is no other way to stop the flow."
The rest of the article can be found in the archives of World Net Daily. It is by J. Zane Walley.
And all of our so-called leaders know this. Its pathetic, its reached a point were American citizens have to write 10 letters and 20 emails a month to beg our politicians and representitives to save our country. And they still refuse to listen, year after year after year.
I am sadly convinced, we are no longer represented and that there is an obvious agenda here.
Yes, our industrial base has fled; yes our deficits are horrendous and projected to grow even larger. I already believe we are bankrupt from welfare, prisons, medical care, and education not only for illegal immigrants, but legal immigrants, and many actual citizens. What's the national debt standing at....it is in TRILLIONS as far as the eye can see!
Middle class--yes, it must be destroyed...is there any other country in this hemisphere, or the world really, that has a middle class such as ours? I think not--at least not size nor wealth/education.
A number of years ago, I read a book by an elderly southern gentleman who had been in the financial services in NY during his working life. This book discussed America prior to the Civil War/War of Northern Agression. One thing he said which has stuck with me was that the South had a mindset of not liking loans or debt, whereas the banking empires were in New York and they loved loaning money and debt. Prior to the outbreak of the war, it was realized that not much more debt would be obtained from existing customers and that by freeing slaves, there could be an infusion of new 'blood' into the system....new customers, if you will....customers needed to consume those "dollars made out of thin air".
Fast forward to todays' world and we see in America that there is record debt....within the last couple of years people were even using their credit cards to buy more stock!! But cc debt has been stretched to the limits for several years....look at the record numbers of bankruptcies....loan defaults....farm foreclosures as well as other foreclosures.... Does it not seem as though there needs to be a new 'infusion' of blood into the financial system(s)? Ever wonder why the first thing that is done in these countries that we 'save' is to control their financial systems.....take a look at the Dayton Accords to see what I mean....watch in Afghanistan....we've already seen the mickey mouse Rambouillet Accord that Milosevic refused to sign onto.
And about that sovereignty thingy....a little search here or at Operation America chapter regarding trade relations with China will reveal part of Newt Gingrich's testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee in 1994 wherein he said we would be giving up a large chunk of our sovereignty to the WTO; he also said we could get out, but that we wouldn't because we wouldn't want to be known as the country that brought the trade system to a halt!!
So these bastards know exactly what they are doing....and they don't care.....the almighty $$$$$ is more important than the sovereignty of this Nation. Bringing more non-patriotic personages into this country will merely further dilute the concept of sovereignty--take a look at the European Union---they're trying mightily to delete the various national borders....and each generation will have less and less loyalty.
Alas, it seems more important to pick the lesser of two evils as the one that will get Amerika to her knees than to take a principled stand....our publik educashun sistem did its werk gud!
BTW....that traitors list covers both sides of the aisle!
Good post. And you are so correct.
My stepdaughter, in late teens, married a young Mexican--we adored Fernando--he's a good husband and terrific father and hard worker--that said, I'm sure initially he got married to stay in the country.
They bought a little 2-bedroom home in Santa Ana, Orange County, Ca., and before you know it, the second bedroom is not the baby's room, the dining room is converted to a bedroom, the garage is made into an efficiency apartment, and there's a motor coach parked in the driveway--there was talk even of enclosing the porch that ran across the front of the house--which were all rented out to (I'm sure, illegals)--the rents made nearly all the payment for daughter...who I doubt to this day realizes the damages/costs involved with such an arrangement....extra traffic constantly on roads and streets, additional use of sewage system, more stress on utility companys, additional traffic to stores, taking up of additional school chairs (yes, some of the 'renters' were married with children--they all slept in the same room and had kitchen privileges)...never mind what happens to the neighborhoods.
I recall a couple of years back on CSPAN there was a hearing and there were a number of black people from the Watts/South Central area of Los Angeles who were talking about how their neighborhoods are being damaged by one house housing 20 or more people.....not to mention how their own kids couldn't even get a job at McDonalds because they had to speak spanish! The one fella I remember talking about auto repair/body work shops that had been around for ages....was now how Mexican help. He wasn't against immigration--just the illegals--he sees the problems of assimilation first hand every day.
Oh, and he also talked about his daughter having a problem in school...I can't remember now exactly what the problem was, but it came out that he was told if she was Hispanic it would be taken care of!
O.K.! Put me down for 500 big U.S. dollars for that! You ARE ..... uh...in with the ......you know.......Big Guys over there, right?
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