Posted on 03/08/2002 1:24:33 PM PST by sarcasm
Friday, March 08, 2002 - WASHINGTON - Rep. Tom Tancredo takes credit for thwarting the Bush administration's last effort to offer partial amnesty to thousands of illegal residents, but Thursday the outspoken immigration foe said he may have been outmaneuvered by the White House.
President Bush has struck a deal with the House leadership to place legislation that offers an extension of amnesty on its consent calendar before Bush heads to Mexico for a state visit next week, the Colorado Republican said. That action should ensure quick House passage of legislation that Bush has repeatedly sought from Congress. It would allow an undocumented person to receive legal standing, such as a valid green card, by filing a declaration with the Immigration and Naturalization Service. It presumably also would require the person to have been in the United States by a certain date and have filed a declaration with the INS from an appropriate sponsor, such as a relative or employer, and pay a $1,000 penalty. "The terms are still up in the air," said Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration, a group that has been allied with Tancredo. "We've heard to the effect that the president wants something to bring down to Mexico." The initial Bush proposal, designed exclusively for Mexicans, once was high on the president's legislative wish list, but it was delayed after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. However, as the president noted Wednesday in a speech to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, he now is pushing for the extension of the amnesty program known by the section of immigration law that covers it, Section 245I. The president hailed it as a way to reunite family, separated by the border. "If you believe in family values, if you understand the worth of family and the importance of family, let's get 245I out of the United States Congress and give me a chance to sign it," Bush told the chamber members. Tancredo, the head of a congressional caucus on immigration issues and proponent of halting virtually all immigration, said he had blocked a previous attempt by Bush to push an extension of the amnesty program through the House. But this time, he said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., had agreed to place the issue on the suspension, or consent, calendar, making it difficult to defeat the proposal. The Senate might be more favorable to the bill than the House, expanding the numbers of individuals who can apply, Tancredo said.
Do you think it would still have been better if Robert E Lee had finished off Mexico in 1846 and made it a US state? What would life be like for us if we had done that?
You didn't ask me specifically, but I cannot resist (putting on my ex-grad student history hat).
First off, I believe the treaty was signed early in 1848, and the actual fighting was over by late 1847. Robert E. Lee was just a junior officer; the generals in command were Taylor in the north and Scott in central Mexico.
Short answer: making all of Mexico part of the USA would have been a bloody disaster. Think Quebec; think Yugoslavia. A bad idea.
The way the Constitution works, unless a power is specifically listed as a federal power, it ain't one and unless a power is specifically delegated by the states to the federal government or specifically prohibited to the states by the constitution, then any power claimed by a state in its own constitution is a valid state power. See the 10th amendment.
Federal usurpation of the power of the states to limit or even prohibit immigration is unconstitutional. Section 9 of the Legislative article shows that states have this power regarding immigration because the section is placing a temporary condition upon this state power. BTW, that condition lapsed in 1808.
Your pitiful flailings at the supreme law of the land would embarrass any sober person. Fortunately for you, you're seldom sober or you would be too embarrassed to pretend to be an attorney.
Bush and Fox seem to be working on a plan for merging that doesn't involve the Mexican leaders stepping down from power or the elites releasing their griphold on the wealth. Merging with a separate political entity can't work ---we can't have two presidents and two Congresses. Back in 1846, the merging would have been like it was for Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California----they came under US rule and were cut off from Mexican rule. This plan now seems to allow both governments jurisdiction.
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It seems that's what is happening. Fox is calling for completely open borders, Castaneda says he wants the whole enchilada ---which means they get everything they are demanding. At least Lee's way, Mexico would have been placed under US rule, they'd follow the Constitution and there wouldn't be a President Fox today.
Don't be suprised when America becomes unlivable, there isn't a flock to the great white north. Canada, the country we pick on sometimes which has less personal freedom than us as of now, may see a tide of Americans fleeing poverty and chaos. Hard to believe, but it's very possible. And of course the illegals will follow, looking for a better life to work hard, scrub the toilets, and pick the lettuce.
"Your information is antiquated" says I, quoting the dragon Smaug from The Hobbit.
Canada is fast becoming a cesspool of corruption, political correctness, crime, multi-culturalism, and third world immigration - usually under the guise of "asylum" seekers. I used to subscribe to some Canadian immigration reform newsletters - the situation is actually worse in Canada. True, they don't have that big border with Mexico we have, but virtually anyone who can make it to Canada and mutter "I am seeking asylum" through an interpreter ends up living in Canada, at taxpayer expense. And Canada has none of our constitutional protections on free speech, free press, freedom of assemby or association, or any kind of 2nd amendment-style gun rights.
No, you had better forget Canada. Either we fix things here, or we go under. There's nowhere to run to anymore. Time to stop running away.
No problem, glad you joined in. Yes you're right on those points, it was Generals Zachory Taylor and Scott who led the Mexican expedition. But I do remember reading (my history is a little fuzzy at this point) that Lee was pushing the senior officers to take all of Mexico. But he was resisted fortunately. Lee, as he proved in the Civil War was a fighter. Not always right but a good general nonetheless.
I have nothing but admiration for Lee; an excellent general but an even better war leader, capable of instilling nearly worshipful devotion in his troops. And also a fine and honorable man the likes of which we have rarely seen since.
My memory of the Mexican War histories is a little fuzzy too; Lee may very well have made certain suggestions, but he was a junior officer, and his superior officers were constrainted by orders from Washington. Moreover, anything they did would have had to have been ratified by Congress, and there was no way Congress was ever going to agree to annexing all of Mexico, for two reasons: 1) it would make Mexicans into US citizens (bad idea for many reasons), and 2) It would have vastly increased the number of potential slave states, thus upsetting the national balance of power between the North and South. Indeed, many historians see our victory in the Mexican War as a prime cause of the Civil War 12-13 years later.
If there's any large scale amnesty, as some are saying Bush may want after this one, you can kiss America goodbye. With at least 3 or more million Mexican illegals now here, after they bring in their relatives it could easily be 20 million or more. It's going to be a slow death of the country. Communities are not going to be able to assimiliate all these people. And taxes are going to go through the roof to care for them.
I'm not saying Americans are going to run to Canada, but if these get so out of control here many might. Less freedom and all.
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