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Rental Connection-San Diego ^ | March 5, 2002 | Nedthan Johns

[Mrs.Liberty]

we'll be good...promise. Don't worry.

[MizSterious]

Crowds Gather to Witness Cross of Light

[RangeRatt]

Kim, what happened to the threads we had up last night? Were they pulled off? And if so, WHY?

[MizSterious]

Wednesday March 06 06:39 PM EST

Where To Put Danielle's Flowers Sparks Row

People who placed mementos near the East County site where the body of 7-year-old Danielle van Dam was found are angry that the makeshift memorial has been dismantled.

Volunteers Monday removed a carload of flowers, stuffed animals, wreaths and photographs placed at the Dehesa Road site by hundreds of people who visited the location following last week's discovery (news - web sites) of the partially decomposed body.

"How dare they?" Cindy Moore of Spring Valley told the San Diego Union-Tribune.

Although Danielle's parents have requested that people remember their daughter at a Sabre Springs neighborhood park near their home, they did not request that the Dehesa Road memorial be taken down, a family spokesperson told the newspaper.

The van Dams requested Tuesday that any additional flowers and stuffed animals dropped off at the East County location be left in place, according to the Union-Tribune.

The volunteers who removed the memorial on Monday said they were acting on their own and that they had taken the mementos to the park in Sabre Springs, the newspaper reported.

"They didn't leave anything," said Moore's sister, Connie Munzer. "It's upsetting. It's not right."

Moore said that people have the right to grieve for the slain second-grader in a location of their own choosing and that Sabre Springs is a long drive from East County.

"Nothing will ever change that her body was dumped in this spot," Moore said. "There will never be a time that I come up here that I won't think of her."

Meanwhile, the 4th District Court of Appeal is still deciding whether to release search warrant affidavits of the investigation into David Westerfield.

Westerfield's lawyer, Steven Feldman, also filed another request for a gag order to provent investigators and prosecutors from talking to the media. His first request, made during Westerfield's arraignment last week, was put on hold. A hearing on the new request is scheduled for friday.

Source

[MizSterious]

From the article in #124:

"Meanwhile, the 4th District Court of Appeal is still deciding whether to release search warrant affidavits of the investigation into David Westerfield.

Westerfield's lawyer, Steven Feldman, also filed another request for a gag order to provent investigators and prosecutors from talking to the media. His first request, made during Westerfield's arraignment last week, was put on hold. A hearing on the new request is scheduled for friday.

Interesting...

[It's me]

Danielle's mother said she was too dignified to go over to Westerfield's two-story house to express her anger

I'm a very dignified woman (at least I like to think so) BUT, if my daughter was stolen from me, you better believe dignity would not be my first thought when dealing with the so called perp.

Unless, of course, I knew more to the story...

[Luis Gonzalez]

That's lame.

[Luis Gonzalez]

It's going to be real difficult for Westerfield to explain away the blood on his clothes and in his van, the child porn that was allegedly found in his computer isn't going to help him any, the fact that he failed a polygraph test (even if not admitted as evidence, people know about that) isn't going to help either.

Now, the police have already checked everyone that had been in the house that night, as well as the van Dams (we don't know everything that the police knows) and at this time , they are not suspects.

One last thing, Westerfield's lawyer wil, also need to explain away why DW didn't simply call the cops when he found Danielle's body. Before the blood got on his shirt, before his fingerprints got on her.

That is what reasonable people do when they find a dead body, they call the police and do not touch anything.

Westerfield acted like a guilty party acts, he dumped the body and tried to clean-up.

He's fried.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"He spent months defending the virgin in the mirror?"

Liar

[FresnoDA]

I wish the moderator would delete them and kick freaks like 'FresnoDA' off FR as well.

analog

member since October 28th, 2001

I am one of the few atheist conservatives on this board (although since I first wrote this I've been pleased to meet many other conservative and libertarian folks who share my views). I enjoy receiving torrents of abuse from all sorts of folks who believe in the supernatural, and want me to live by their sacred scrolls. I like to think I give as good as I get. Reasoned debate doesn't have much of an impact here on FR anymore, so I've also taken to screaming and shouting like other folks and I find it wonderfully cathartic.

Despite this increasingly bad signal/noise ratio on FR, this is still the place I come now and then to get my assumptions challenged and to find out the hot issues of the day from the wider conservative viewpoint. It also reminds me how wide the spectrum of views really is in the GOP and the whole conservative movement worldwide.  

Wow, when I first heard your comments, I was slightly hurt, and offended, but after reading your bio, I am honored to have your like rail against me.

God Bless You, analog!!!........FresnoDA

[FresnoDA]

Bump to your memorable post, #92!!! awesome and correct. When a mental midget loses the match, they suddenly complain because they are wrestling in the wrong weight class. Seems to be a lot of that happening here today.

[FresnoDA]

David Westerfield was arrested on charges of kidnapping and burglary. Police say Danielle's blood was found on his clothing and in his motor home.

Police tried to talk with Westerfield without his attorney by NBC 7/39 News Staff

SAN DIEGO, March 6 –    A San Diego police captain confirmed Wednesday that two detectives tried to talk with the man accused of killing Danielle van Dam when his lawyer was not present to represent him.

Lawyers for David Westerfield filed papers in court Tuesday saying that the detectives attempted to talk with Westerfield last Wednesday, the day after he was charged with kidnapping and killing 7-year-old Danielle van Dam. The lawyers called the action “outrageous government misconduct,” and wrote that it jeopardized Westerfield’s right to effective counsel.

Defense experts say the law is clear: once a suspect has a lawyer, police and prosecutors should not attempt to talk with the defendant without getting permission from the lawyer. Some say the incident could harm the case against Westerfield.

"It sends a lot of messages, in addition to laying the groundwork for potentially asking the court to dismiss the charges because of this outrageous governmental conduct," criminal defense specialist Kerry Steigerwalt said.

Wednesday, Police Captain Ron Newman told NBC 7/39 that two detectives did request to speak with Westerfield, but he apparently refused to talk with them and called his lawyer to report the attempted interview.

"I have confirmed that that did happen,” Capt. Newman told NBC 7/39. “I question the appropriateness of it. I'm sure the detectives felt that it was the appropriate thing to do, given the set of circumstances that they were under. But we will be handling that internally. So it's not something that we would normally do. In fact, we should not be doing it, frankly.”

Another legal expert told NBC 7/39 that if police did not actually talk with Westerfield that day, there's little damage to the case against him.

[Freedom2specul8]

Which ones? I know of a couple from I think Monday that were removed but the mod never told any of us why. Do they ever? If they do, it opens them up to debates.

[FresnoDA]

There have been problems with this investigation from the start.

THE CRIME SCENE was not secured or preserved. The police allowed the van Dams and Westerfield to remain in their homes while the evidence people were there, friends, family, press,  etc., were allowed in and that destroyed the reliability of most of the forensic evidence.

Think about it........FresnoDA

[Freedom2specul8]

I was just reading the comments about mary...and luis and SW...I am really sorry to see this has been a feud that has been going on for a long time. I just assumed that it was only relevant to the van dam threads. SO, I guess lines have been drawn eh? Once mad and bad..always mad and bad? Life is too short to "hold grudges, whine, attack, be hateful and spend time outdoing one and other". That is really awful. For all the time you spend being snotty with one and other, you are spending less time educating, sharing and learning. What better way to stifle the truth, than to conquer and divide from within..

[Freedom2specul8]

Please take a moment and read #135

[Amore]

Another legal expert told NBC 7/39 that if police did not actually talk with Westerfield that day, there's little damage to the case against him.

That's a big: "Duh!"

(No offense to you, Fresno, but, gee, NBC it's a nonstory.
I guess the least little thing on this case is big news.)

[William Wallace]

What you just read is an "exclusion" in most motor insurer's policies. It's in the small print. So you were saying about who's to blame if something valuable is left unlocked?

Irrelevant. Luis was referring to the issue of criminal liability, not ability to recover on an insurance policy.

Here's what Luis actually wrote: "The case being tried is the murder of Danielle van Dam, not any criminal charges against the van Dams. Think about it for a second, even if you leave your car unlocked, with the keys in the ignition, the person who takes it gets arrested for theft.

Even if the van Dams are found to be negligent by not checking on Danielle, or even for inviting Westerfield into the house, the killer is still 100% responsible for the murder."

If you're debating whether the van Dams can recover on their daughter's life insurance policy, then your point is well taken. But if you're discussing criminal liability for car theft in Luis' hypothetical or murder in this case, then Luis' statements are correct. Auto theft and murder are crimes. Contributory negligence is a civil tort law concept and has no applicability to criminal law.

[Mrs.Liberty]

I was just reading the comments about mary

Mary who?