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Rental Connection-San Diego ^ | March 5, 2002 | Nedthan Johns

Posted on 03/05/2002 8:04:09 PM PST by FresnoDA

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To: spectre
Less: Actually in Houston a couple of years ago 2 women left their children at home (total kids:7 ages 3-11)so they could go occupy themselves at the local watering hole. While they were out the children went to bed, a space heater caused a fire (no batteries in the smoke alarm), the children were killed and the women jailed for negligence. That's just the law in Texas.
141 posted on 03/06/2002 7:34:31 PM PST by Jaded
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To: Mrs.Liberty
This and other posts clued me in that it's an ongoing feud..

To: Mrs.Liberty

Pssstt..come closer. Here's a secret. Tell Luis you see the Virgin Mary in your bedroom dresser mirror, and he will believe you. No joke.

sw

102 posted on 3/6/02 3:40 PM Pacific by spectre

143 posted on 03/06/2002 7:45:02 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: FresnoDA
They obviously trained under Boulder PD.
144 posted on 03/06/2002 7:45:22 PM PST by Jaded
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
oh. I thought you were talking about a different Mary(my sister). We don't agree on aspects of this case, so much that I have told her we cannot talk about it, but if anyone had been talking trash about her I would have to get mean again, LOL.

"Never mind" </emily latella off>

145 posted on 03/06/2002 8:09:39 PM PST by Mrs.Liberty
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To: Mrs.Liberty
LOL! I'd love to meet her sometime. Well, I stand by what I said because the liberals want their enemies to be divided and conquered from within.
146 posted on 03/06/2002 8:16:33 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: spectre; ~Kim4VRWC's~
"Luis, you are a total immature jerk."

Pot...kettle...black.

"You fail to see that a person is "culpable" when his car gets stolen under the circumstances you describe? That is WHY the insurance company doesn't pay. Because you were dumb and dumber leaving your keys in the ignition."

I'm not the one failing to see the obvious here. You are confusing criminal law (murder, car theft) with civil law. We're not talking about Danielle's insurance policy here sw...do try to keep up.

The fact that you may have left your keys in your car may excuse the insurance company from paying you, primarily because it's spelled out in the agreement that you signed, but it has zero bearing on the criminal law aspect of the case. Your keys in the ignition does not equal to an open invitation to steal it, anymore than the fact that your front door is unlocked an invitation to rob your house.

If you don't believe me, next time that you see a car running unattended someplace, take it.

During your trial, plead not guilty and explain to the Judge and Jury that the car's keys were in the ignition, so it's not really your fault that the car was stolen.

Send me an e-mail with an address and your inmate number so that I can send you some smokes after the trial.

"The van Dams could possibly be culpable if they contributed to the negligence of their home and the safety of their children that evening."

I know that you and the rest of the gang here really wish this to be the case, but I don't think that this will hold water in a court of law.

Sure, the van Dams may have been "entertaining" in their garage with the door closed, whether the door was locked or not is quite irrelevant to the case, a locked door does not impede someone from hearing a noise, a close door does.

Still, all in all, regardless of they may have been doing in the garage, they were home, and from all accounts that I've read, there was at least one parent home all night.

Now, if the rumors of "swinging" turn out to be true, and even if they had been doing that on that particular night, it doesn't matter in the scheme of things; while swinging is immoral, it isn't illegal and in the eyes of the law, it is no different than if they had been playing cards in the garage.

"We seem to have different standards. I take care of my property and family and would never leave the keys in the ignition of my car or front door. Why not just post a sign "STEAL ME"."

You seem to think yourself infallible, and by extension your whole family, even if you did, and someone did steal your property, they are still guilty of a crime.

"They have told so many different versions of what happened that evening that it all goes to their credibility, and you can bet the farm, the defense will bring it up. "

They're not on trial here, the only thing that matters here is what happened to Danielle...that's the case...murder. And unless the defense sets out to somehow suggest that Damon or Brenda killed Danielle (BTW, you can't just throw that out there w/out any sort of evidence to obliterate the fact that Danielle's blood was found on Westerfield's clothes, and his vehicle) there's no way that simply saying "these people were negligent that night, so the defendant is somehow less culpable of killing the child", will save Westerfield's ass.

147 posted on 03/06/2002 8:51:13 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: analog
Did your wife read my posts not so long ago? LOL I posted those some of those same scriptures. I just read your bio since it was brought to our attention. I have met more than a few conservative and/or libertarian atheists/agnostics. I consider all of you potential children of God, so the last thing a Christian needs to do is rip you to shreds over it.

Matthew 24:12

John 12:36

148 posted on 03/07/2002 2:56:33 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: Jaded
"While they were out the children went to bed, a space heater caused a fire (no batteries in the smoke alarm), the children were killed and the women jailed for negligence."

Something similar happened here in Oklahoma. Two children died in a fire in the family's trailer while the mother was grocery shopping--leaving the tots alone. She was charged with negligence, too. Another case involved a woman who left a tot in the car (doors were unlocked and keys left in ignition) while she picked up a couple of grocery items, and the car was stolen with the wee one inside--she, too, was charged with negligence. (Note: the car and the unharmed child were found later, not far from where they were taken.) This latter case especially seems comparable to the van Dam case.

It's not that the perp should not be charged, it's just that in these cases the parents shared part of the blame. No one would suggest the parents get the same penalty, but they should not get a walk, either, if what we're reading is true.

149 posted on 03/07/2002 4:34:50 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Oh, I know, we could all hold hands and sing Kumbayah and contemplate whirled peas and imagine everyone surrounded by a pink cloud.

OR, we could continue to call 'em as we see 'em. It's hard to cover the "aromatherapy" of bull feces essence with a pink cloud. It could be that while I might support the same political candidates as some members on Free Republic, I would not sit down at the same table with many of them. Nor should I be required to.

150 posted on 03/07/2002 4:52:24 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: William Wallace; spectre
Agreed. If Westerfield is found guilty, he will be the one to take the needle (if they do that in California?), but there might also be child negligence charges to face for the van Dams. I might be misreading what Spectre said, but I thought she was referring to this. It's been discussed here often, and some members don't believe the parents should bear any of the liability. Perhaps a California attorney could weigh in on this, but in my state (Oklahoma), if the news stories turn out to be factual, the parents could well be charged with child negligence, and the other two children could be removed from their custody.
151 posted on 03/07/2002 4:56:10 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: golitely
Yeah, that's what I said.. I want you to sing and hold hands..and sit at the ''dinner table'' because it's so educational and will spread the truth. Being all mushy and gushy and PC has nothing to do with the following:

"For all the time you spend being snotty with one and other, you are spending less time educating, sharing and learning. What better way to stifle the truth, than to conquer and divide from within.."

152 posted on 03/07/2002 5:00:22 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: analog
Analog, did you look at my list of other Free Republic articles that are allowed to remain? Why is this one less relevant than "who's the best news babe" articles? Read through today's listing of articles, you'll find even more lurid articles than the ones about the van Dam kidnapping, such as "Teen girl jailed with sex suspect", "85,000 chickens killed by lightning strike," and "HUMAN SPONTANEOUS INVOLUNTARY INVISIBILITY."

Here's what you can do to avoid articles like these. It's really easy.

You go to the top of the main page where you'll find "Topics/Post." Click on that. You'll receive a menu of various topics. For the kind of news you seem to prefer, you are offered several good choices--maybe you'd like Activism/Chapters, Constitution/Conservatism, Foreign Affairs, Government, or Politics/Elections. I'd avoid Crime/Corruption, Miscellaneous, News/Current Events and/or Your Opinions/Questions, as these are often catch-all categories and might have more of those articles that you find so disturbing. Once John Robinson gets done with the software, you can actually adjust your "preferences" so you only see the topics you want to see. Or, you can be inventive, and fix your browser's bookmarks, and achieve the same goal.

But the question that keeps coming to my mind is, if you find these articles and this one in particular so offensive, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? Are you one of those people who just likes to make themselves miserable, or what? Personally, I don't click on articles I know won't interest me.

153 posted on 03/07/2002 5:18:45 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"For all the time you spend being snotty with one and other, you are spending less time educating, sharing and learning. What better way to stifle the truth, than to conquer and divide from within.."

Spoken like a true liberal. And probably in the same spirit--every time the liberals talk about "bipartisan cooperation" they mean, vote the way I do. In your case, your notion of "coming together" is for us to quit asking all those pesky questions about the discrepancies in the van Dam stories. (Plural on purpose--there have been so many...)

154 posted on 03/07/2002 5:45:58 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: golitely
LOL I'm not a liberal..but good come back. Just like I said, liberals want conservatives to be divided, they want them to attack each other instead of issues. I can see why you would think it's a bad thing to stop. It would spoil all the fun!

On a serious note, my post was focused on one issue. You've brought into it a lot more than I intended. not fair, but when is life fair when there are no rules. Gotta go...

155 posted on 03/07/2002 5:56:55 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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