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1 posted on 03/04/2002 3:24:50 PM PST by blam
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Now you may not believe this, but a strong case can be made that the Chinese ( or some other mainland Asian group) established a colony on the Western Mexican coast prior to 1400 A.D. Many artifacts have been found. Also, many every day practices used by the Chinese have been found to be incorporated into the Indian culture there at the time.

Just another fun fact to play with.

86 posted on 03/05/2002 2:03:57 PM PST by Khurkris
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Gods, Graves, Glyphs.
87 posted on 03/06/2002 5:20:06 PM PST by blam
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"Gods, Graves, Glyphs"
88 posted on 03/07/2002 7:47:58 PM PST by blam
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Bump ! Thanks.

99 posted on 08/11/2002 5:58:02 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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2,500 Years Before Columbus
by Patrick Huyghe
[W]hen the last Shang king was defeated and killed by rivals in 1122 B.C., his loyalists were forced to flee to the "East Ocean" or Pacific, notes Xu in his new book, Origin of the Olmec Civilization (University of Central Oklahoma Press, 1996)... Numerous notable Chinese scholars have confirmed Xu's readings of the Olmec inscriptions, including Han Ping Chen, a scholar of ancient Chinese from the Historical Research Institute at the China Social Science Academy. After examining 146 characters and symbols from the Olmec culture, Chen reported: "These symbols, if found or excavated in China (except rock art and carving), would certainly be regarded as prehistoric Chinese characters or symbols. Of 146 symbols, many are 100 percent identical to ancient Chinese characters. Some, I am afraid, can be easily recognized by Chinese first graders in elementary schools..." ...William Boltz of the University of Washington and Robert Bagley of Princeton dismissed as "rubbish" the notion that the characters could be Chinese. The criticism infuriates Xu -- and rightly so, we might add. "Most experts in Olmec studies do not have any idea about ancient Chinese writings and Asian cultures or tradition," says Xu, who was educated in both China and the United States. "How on Earth could they comment on top Chinese scholars reading Chinese as 'rubbish'?"
Chinatown, 1000 B.C.
by Jocelyn Selim
Mike Xu, a linguist at Texas Christian University... has spent years analyzing jade, stone, and pottery relics from the Olmec, an ancient people that inhabited the American Southwest and Central America 3,000 years ago. He was struck by how closely the symbols on the artifacts resembled Chinese inscriptions from the Shang dynasty in China. "There are hundreds of these symbols that occur again and again, throughout the entire Olmec territory," Xu says. The Shang writings date from 1600 to 1100 b.c. Traces of the Olmec civilization abruptly appear during this span, around 1200 to 1100 B.C. Olmec and Shang artistic styles look much alike, and the two cultures followed related religious practices. For instance, both used cinnabar, a red pigment, to decorate ceremonial objects, and both put jade beads in the mouths of the dead to ward off evil. "The similarities are just too striking to be a coincidence," he says.
A tale of two cultures
by Charles Fenyvesi
The Smithsonian's Meggers says that Chen's analysis of the colors "makes sense. But his reading of the text is the clincher. Writing systems are too arbitrary and complex. They cannot be independently reinvented."
The Olmec and the Shang
by Claire Liu
tr. by Robert Taylor
Last year, in a book entitled Origin of the Olmec Civilization, Professor Mike Xu, a Chinese who teaches in the foreign languages department at the University of Central Oklahoma, proposed a hypothesis which aroused a storm of controversy in archeological circles. In Xu's view, the first complex culture in Mesoamerica may have come into existence with the help of a group of Chinese who fled across the seas as refugees at the end of the Shang dynasty. The Olmec civilization arose around 1200 BC, which coincides with the time when King Wu of Zhou attacked and defeated King Zhou, the last Shang ruler, bringing his dynasty to a close.
Origin of the Olmec civilization Origin of the Olmec civilization
by H. Mike Xu
Olmec Riddle: An Inquiry into the Origin of Pre-Columbian Civilization Olmec Riddle:
An Inquiry into the Origin
of Pre-Columbian Civilization

by James Gruener


100 posted on 07/21/2004 11:21:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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101 posted on 07/21/2004 11:33:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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Explorer From China Who 'Beat Columbus To America'

If you want to populate a new world, it helps not to be a eunuch.
102 posted on 07/21/2004 11:40:58 PM PDT by aruanan
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Next week, an amateur historian will expound his theory - backed up by charts, ancient artefacts and anthropological research - that when Columbus discovered America in 1492, he was 72 years too late.

According to Menzies, it was Zheng He, in his colossal multi-masted ships stuffed with treasure, silks and porcelain, who made the first circumnavigation of the world, beating the Portuguese navigator Ferdinand Magellan by a century.

Since when is 72 years a century?

Man, they'll let any tard scribble on some paper and call them a reporter

103 posted on 07/21/2004 11:49:27 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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Saw a two hour special on this guy tonight. Even Chinese historians think he's a loon. The show pretty much tore his "theories" apart and he came across pretty weak in "cross examination".


104 posted on 07/22/2004 12:06:08 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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1421: The Year China Discovered America by Gavin Menzies

106 posted on 12/28/2004 9:21:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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Instead, according to Gavin Menzies, a former submarine commanding officer who has spent 14 years charting the movements of a Chinese expeditionary fleet between 1421 and 1423, the eunuch admiral, Zheng He, was there first.

Well, if he had balls he would have set up a colony or too and then there would have been no debate.

107 posted on 12/28/2004 9:25:54 PM PST by Tribune7
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"Explorer From China Who 'Beat Columbus To America'"

The Chinese did not have ships to traverse the oceans 72 years before Columbus discovered the continent, nor did they have the knowledge to do so.

This is a lot of malarky.


108 posted on 12/28/2004 9:33:51 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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De Souza wants to re-write a well known era of Chinese history. The emperor's ship's indeed discovered the arabian peninsula and several unimpresive parts of Africa, wherupon they returned to China and reported to the emperor that the rest of the world was not worth exploring. Therupon... the emperor ordered the fleet of the "central kingdom" destroyed.


109 posted on 12/28/2004 9:59:45 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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111 posted on 07/30/2008 9:31:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Is there an explanation of why he was a eunoch? Did he pose a threat to an emporer. And his crew? Were they all eunochs too? I know that the Chinese imported slaves from Africa in the 1600-1800s (purchased from Arab slave traders) and all of them were made into eunochs before they could be admitted to a Chinese household as a servant. Most of them died before ever leaving Africa as a result of the operation.


113 posted on 06/26/2010 12:23:25 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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This cracks me up!

EVERY ONE IN THE WORLD WAS HERE BEFORE COLUMBUS.

MY QUESRION IS: WELL WHAT THE HE11 did they DO about it?

You’re walking down the street...you spot a ten carat diamond on the pavement...and you just walk on by..

Whose the LOSER?


122 posted on 09/27/2024 11:08:58 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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