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Hindu Rioters Burn 27 Muslims in India
AP | 3/01/02

Posted on 02/28/2002 8:39:58 PM PST by kattracks

Hindu Rioters Burn 27 Muslims in Shantytown in Western India, Police Say

AHMADABAD, India March 1 — Angry Hindus set fire to homes in a shantytown in western India on Friday, killing at least 27 Muslims as they slept, police said. The latest violence raises the death toll in the series of attacks on the religious minority to more than 100.

At least 76 people died in attacks Thursday, when Hindu rioters stormed a Muslim neighborhood and then kept firefighters away for hours, dragging out one former lawmaker and burning him alive. The attacks were revenge for a Muslim assault on a train.

In Friday's attack in Narora, on the outskirts of Ahmadabad, about 300 Hindus set fire to a Muslim-dominated shantytown in an industrial area at about 2 a.m., Deputy Police Commissioner P.B. Gondya told The Associated Press.

"We have recovered 27 charred bodies. The people were asleep when the incident happened," Gondya said. At least seven women and eight children were among the dead, he said. Another 42 people were hospitalized, some with burns over 80 percent of their bodies.


Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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To: The_Expatriate, Brad Cloven
I was being sarcastic.. After 9/11 the muslims who were expressing their condolences made statments "We feel your pain BUT we blame your foreign policy".
21 posted on 02/28/2002 9:28:58 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: kattracks
Looks like the Hindus know what the Muslims respect and are giving them plenty of it. I'm not completely proud of this, but if India decided it wanted a few hundred thousand square miles of extra territory out to, say, the Gulf of Arabia and sorta just took it, I wouldn't complain too much.
22 posted on 02/28/2002 9:30:09 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: BrooklynGOP
...but I blame their foreign policy...

Just as a guess, I'd say that those folks living in shacks didn't have much of a foreign policy.

God bless our founders for the 1st amendment. They knew how ugly religious wars can get. Now we have elected representives messing with that 1st amendment to protect their own jobs and calling it 'reform".

Is there something wrong with this picture?

23 posted on 02/28/2002 9:37:50 PM PST by Ditto
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To: ValerieUSA
Agreed, Hinduism has its own problems. Right now, they aren't flying planes into buildings. Priorities beckon.
24 posted on 02/28/2002 9:40:26 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: kattracks
New spate of attacks targets Christians

Published 2/25/2002 Washington Times

NEW DELHI — Violence against India's Christian minority has surged this year, with reports of at least one attack each week in what church leaders are calling a "reign of terror" spreading throughout the country.
In the most recent incident, about 70 men wearing saffron headbands — an emblem of the Hindu nationalists — attacked a church near Mysore, in South India, where children were attending a catechism class. The attack last week seriously wounded about 20 people.

25 posted on 02/28/2002 9:40:59 PM PST by mv1
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To: kattracks
I was afaid of this. Stability gets more and more illusive as the US tries to bring the reason to the area.

It has all the predictability of a rack of pool balls!

26 posted on 02/28/2002 9:41:13 PM PST by Bogie
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To: Lazarus Long
Don't you find it remarkable how little violence there has been in India since its independence, despite having a 20% Muslim minority or whatever? I am. It is a success story, not a failure. Indeed, India is heading towards being a success story now economically. Stay tuned. This is definitely a case of the cup being half full, not half empty, in my opinion. One should be careful not to stretch the militant Jihadist Muslim template too far. That is really simply being sloppy.
28 posted on 02/28/2002 9:49:07 PM PST by Torie
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To: kattracks
Athiest still hold the record for most killed during religious persecution.

Hindus vs Muslims, wouldn't be the first time. But don't worry. The UN will come in stop the violence, just like they did in Rwanda, Sierria Leon, Sudan, Aghanistan, Cambodia, Bosnia, etc. Of course it will be after a couple of million die, but as they say, "there will be peace in our time."

29 posted on 02/28/2002 9:55:23 PM PST by pulaskibush
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To: Lazarus Long
Great. And now give some credit to the Muslims in India as well. It takes two to tango. Perhaps the most miltant exited in the partition, I don't know. Whatever.
31 posted on 02/28/2002 9:59:34 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
OTOH, World-view counts. Expecting just rewards for living out your dharma via reincarnation does not motivate exceptionalism in this life. Individual Indians are indeed quite successful; but the Hindu world-view is not widely conducive to success.

Agreed nonetheless that democratic Hindu India is a non-threat and good enough friend, a great contrast to many points west and east of there.

33 posted on 02/28/2002 10:01:10 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: Brad Cloven
India was held down by a Fabian socialist ideology embraced by the elites with their British educations, and by protectionism. That has been abandoned some time ago. And that combined with the explosion of information technology has unleashed India. Bangledesh is another remarkable success story as well, totally unnoticed, and totally Muslim. Speaking of Muslim countries, have you checked out the economic performance numbers of Tunisia lately? Another remarkable story. And check out the fertility rates in Indonesia. That is another tear in the template in that department.
34 posted on 02/28/2002 10:05:30 PM PST by Torie
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To: Dr. Frank;BrooklynGOP
ask themselves Why They Are So Hated

You people are starting to scare me. FYI, the United States is hated by much of the world. FYI, conservatives are hated by a significant minority of Americans. People getting burned while they sleep is no laughing matter. Your arguments have the same kind of logic that the al queda used to destroy the wtc towers.

35 posted on 02/28/2002 10:08:28 PM PST by staytrue
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To: All
I suppose I should no longer be amazed to see words like "uncivilized" and "primitive" being used to describe Hinduism. I guess it's easier to pigeonhole a religion you know little about. Point to a parallel in Northern Ireland where Catholics and Protestants clash with equal ferocity and you are told that it is a unique situation -- that they are not representative of Christians all over the world. But Hinduism, a religion that remains standing even after the demise of great peers such as the Romans, the Greeks and others -- which makes no attempt to evangelize or demean non-believers -- is quickly and harshly denounced.

There is no doubt that the actions of this mob bring shame to every Hindu but the difference you fail to see is that their actions were denounced by fellow Hindus before anyone else and that action was taken.

As for those who point to "traditions" like widow-burning, you must know all too well that these practices are rare and outlawed -- were witches not burnt at the stake in America as recently as a century ago? Look at any part of the world and you will find that Hindus live peacefully alongside people of other religions - and often are extremely successful at what they do - the Hindus in America being a case in point.

When they were persecuted in many parts of the world, India was one of few places where the Jews found themselves welcomed -- where does the Dalai Lama live? Which other country stands up to the Chinese in such a manner? Where do the Bangladeshi refugees - mostly Muslims - go to seek a better life?

But it's easier to just sneer "Hinduism=peace", right??

36 posted on 02/28/2002 10:09:08 PM PST by ArmchairWarrior
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To: All
I forgot to make an important point that I've been meaning to, for quite some time. I wanted to set the record straight about Christians in India. Whether you know it or not, the work of many Christian missions in educating, healing and sheltering the poor and the needy in India is GREATLY appreciated by all. Many educated Indians are acutely aware that they owe a great debt to the Christians who made these things possible.

I cannot explain the anti-Christian violence that occurs, albeit rarely and in rural areas, from time to time -- there is NO way (nor should there be) to justify it. However, Christians in urban areas and for the most part get along just fine with their Hindu/Muslim neighbors. Go to Mumbai or Delhi and you will find entire sections of the town lit up during Christmas, annual fairs on the birthdays of Saints, and even Hindus going to churches to seek blessings. Please do not equate Muslims in India with the Christians as being "allies against the oppressing Hindus" -- nothing could be further from the truth.

37 posted on 02/28/2002 10:18:43 PM PST by ArmchairWarrior
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To: staytrue
Your arguments have the same kind of logic that the al queda used to destroy the wtc towers.

You are confusing me with someone else, I had no arguments.. only comments.

38 posted on 02/28/2002 10:19:44 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: kattracks
BBC always does a good job on India.
39 posted on 02/28/2002 10:20:26 PM PST by Bogie
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To: ValerieUSA
We mustn't forget the Indian Hindu tradition of throwing live widows onto their husbands' funeral pyres.

It was a strange custom, but at least you should portray it correctly. Hindus did not throw widows onto funeral pyres. The widows went into the flames willingly. It was expected of them and they just did it.

The Hindu wife worshipped her husband as if he were a god. When her husband died, the wife found no meaning in living. She wanted to join her husband in death, and she did voluntarily.

When the British outlawed this practice, they had to physically restrain widows from walking into the fire. Windows begged the British authorities to let them join their husbands in death and permit them to commit themselves to the flames of the funeral pyre.

I am not justifying the custom. But you are wrong to say they threw the women into this fire. It is difficult for a Westerner to understand the fervor of these women who committed suicide voluntarily.

Jews and Christians used to stone adulterous woman to death. This is the punishment perscribed by the Old Testament. Jews and Christians don't do this any more. Religious practice changes over time. Some Muslims still stone adulterous women to death. Maybe they will do like the Jews and Christians and stop this practice as well.

40 posted on 02/28/2002 10:40:29 PM PST by stripes1776
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