RnMomof7 and Jerry_M mistakenly assert that I argue against God's sovereignty in the area of Creation. That is not the case. Yes, point granted that God created Hitler and Stalin. But in the Calvinist construct as explained yesterday by OrthodoxPresbyterian, because God created evil, God also directed the actions of Stalin and Hitler.
Therefore, according to the Calvinists, God is also responsible for the following:
And since, in the Calvinist view, God created all of those, we have no ability to change them and no right to complain or campaign against them. And this is far from an exhaustive list. One more thing, however, that, in the Calvinist construct, Calvinists are now bound to acknowledge:
We have established Calvinist pride. By their own words the Calvinists have been tried and convicted. No manner of Clintonesque explaining away can deny it. Yet, according to Jerry_M "One word, it doesn't bother us one wit if you dance around saying "pride, Pride, PRIDE."
Jerry further states: "Thus, we can confidently state that we have access to all the answers."
2,000 years of bitter church history. Thousands perhaps millions reading the same scriptures and coming to different conclusions, and yet our Calvinist friends here on FreeRepublic "have all the answers."
We are also now able to establish the differing views on "grace."
The Wesleyan-Arminian view of grace:
The grace or love of God, whence cometh our salvation, is FREE IN ALL, and FREE FOR ALL.
The Calvinist (and Borg) view of grace: Resistance is futile.
Now, given these established facts and the basic frame work of "The Calvinist Construct" and the "Five Basic Arminian Objections to Calvinism" so ably presented by xzins, we can move on.
Next discussion topic please.
Did God predestine the works of Hitler by His non action?
Did God's non intervention in that election cause Bill Clinton to be president?
Not that they have figured out what we believe...
For it they had, then they would not constantly get it wrong. The only other option is that they intentionally lie about it and that wouldn't be very nice. I'd prefer that they really are just somewhat blinded by what we believe.
Let's talk about the "Secret Arminian Society" whereby the grace of God is [not] FREE FOR ALL. For it it were free for all, then the Arminian would share it with all. Since, we can by evidence of this thread know that it is not, we can conclude that Arminianism is an exclusive club whereas Christianity to a Calvinist is FREE FOR ALL for the Calvinist makes it available to all: "Christ died for sinners, DO YOU QUALIFY. Christ died for the ungodly, DO YOU QUALIFY. Repent and Believe!"
Anybody who desires may come and embrace the gospel that the Calvinist freely proclaims. Whereas one must know the "secret handshake" and have the "decoder ring" in order to become an Arminian for they are too exclusive to share it with the lost.
The Arminian really doesn't care about the lost more than he hates Calvinism. For if he care about the lost more than he hated Calvinism then he would join the Calvinist and call for the mormon to "repent and believe" and he would share this same gospel with the rest of the lost.
The Arminian is really secretly ashamed of the gospel they preach. For if they were not ashamed of their gospel, then they would proclaim it.
The Arminian really believes that Mormonism is a TRUE gospel and therefore able to save. For it were a false gospel then they would say as much. They might realize that any man might die on any given day and they would call the Mormon to repent.
Now, the above will not be well received, but maybe one might stop and consider that they are not contending for their faith as much as they are contending against Calvinism, no matter what the cost.