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A Little Secret About the Nazis (They were left-wing socialists like the modern left of today)
russp ^ | 1/2002 | Richard Poe

Posted on 02/18/2002 2:19:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: Asclepius
Yes. Marx believed Judaism was corrupt; but he believed all religion was corrupt. He never advocated the liquidation of the Jews.

He said eliminating Judaism was more important than eliminating Christianity. Hitler merely took it one step further, and eliminated Judaism by wiping out everyone who was of the ethnic group associated with Judaism. He did so for the same reasons--he believed Jews were oppressors, and that they would poison society, just as Marx believed. He just took a more drastic approach to eliminating Judiasm.

61 posted on 02/18/2002 3:39:39 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
Well that's good news anyway. I ordered it back within a month of its original publication, when none of these stores had any plans at all to carry it, and said so.

Just wondering if you'd read it...

62 posted on 02/18/2002 3:42:18 PM PST by maturin
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To: xm177e2
... He just took a more drastic approach to eliminating Judiasm ...
It always astonishes me what some people can read into a text.
63 posted on 02/18/2002 3:43:13 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: Asclepius
I never said Marx wasn't attacking Judaism. (He attacks every religion!)

But all religions weren't equally bad to him. He attacks Judaism as being the religion of the oppressors, it's much worse to him than Christianity (although all religions would have to be eliminated eventually).

64 posted on 02/18/2002 3:44:31 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Asclepius
Hi Asclepius
I agree with you
Didn't Marx say ''religion is the opiate of the masses''
I think he did not believe in spiritual reality at all
65 posted on 02/18/2002 3:45:33 PM PST by palo verde
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To: gcruse
The extreme right wing is distrustful of all forms of government, even that of a constitutional republic. Some of this ilk have been called anarchists. Others are just plain kooks. Many would claim the military dictatorships of South and Central America are classic right wing governments, but I think not. I can't think of any who have ascended to the helm of government. Perhaps others can submit nominations for consideration.
66 posted on 02/18/2002 3:51:28 PM PST by centurion316
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To: xm177e2
But all religions weren't equally bad to him.
Yes. They were.

Marx singles out Judaism as a special case because the Jews of his era were suffering miserably and Marx wanted to save them! Read the essay again; it's filled with compassion. Marx felt--rightly or wrongly--that the Judaism of the Jews was a manifestation of their oppression, their alabi for their sufferings, the reason they wouldn't rise up against their exploiters and tormentors.

You cannot misread a text any more violently then you have misread this one.
67 posted on 02/18/2002 3:51:52 PM PST by Asclepius
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Excellent thoughtful discussion on an important subject.

Your identity is consistent to your contribution at FR; I feel honored to be traveling with such good company.

Best wishes on the new books!

BTW, I've enjoyed "SLAP Hillary" immensely!

68 posted on 02/18/2002 3:52:40 PM PST by Sandmansleeper
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To: maturin
The role of homosexuality in their birth

Not really homosexuals in general but, rather a particular variety of homosexuals-super macho S&M- a perversion within a perversion.

69 posted on 02/18/2002 3:53:22 PM PST by arthurus
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To: xm177e2
Hitler DID want to destroy Judaism and Christianity, and all other religions, except HIS religion, neo-pagan Hitler worship.

Not to be nit-picky, but the religion Hitler tried to impose on Germany was neo-pagan STATE worship. He wanted the Third Reich to thrive long after his death. Thus, he discouraged worship of himself.

70 posted on 02/18/2002 3:56:18 PM PST by Skooz
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The Nazis were leftists and socialists: a point that should be made again and again, and which has been made most consistently and forcefully by Germanic men of the right like Hayek---in fact, it was a point Hayek repeatedly made in "Road to Serfdom," written and published in the midst of the war against Nazi Germany.
71 posted on 02/18/2002 3:56:29 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: xm177e2
Amazon has it for sale at a 30 percent discount here
72 posted on 02/18/2002 3:59:28 PM PST by L_Von_Mises
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To: Southack
The whole reason that "left wing" and "right wing" entered into our vocabulary was to differentiate between the various flavors of Socialism (e.g. Communists on one side and Fascists on the other).

Only if you consider the old feudal order of Europe socialist. "Right wing" and "left wing" come from the French revolution.

73 posted on 02/18/2002 4:00:21 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an invention of hardline Communist Benito Mussolini. During World War I, Mussolini recognized that conventional socialism wasn't working. He saw that nationalism exerted a stronger pull on the working class than proletarian brotherhood. He also saw that the ferocious opposition of large corporations made socialist revolution difficult. So in 1919, Mussolini came up with an alternative strategy. He called it Fascism. Mussolini described his new movement as a ``Third Way'' between capitalism and communism. As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.
A generation ago the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal published a translation of a speech by Benito Mussolini (of a generation earllier, of course). There was nothing in it for a conservative American to like, nor anything for a "sixties" radical to dislike.

That "third way" line is a rich irony, of course; the true "third way"--between stultifying "socialism" on the one hand and "rapacious capitalism" as described by Marx on the other is real, existing capitalism regulated by the government of a democratic republic.

"Socialism" belongs in quotes because it is deceptive labeling in the sense that a free economy is the truly social process--"socialism" would more truthfully be styled "governmentism." Let whoso doubts that challenge the socialist who says "society should" how the meaning of the word "society" differs in his usage from the word "government." The truthful answer will be, "not at all."

The "socialist" would subsume society into government--instant tyranny, you don't even have to add water.

74 posted on 02/18/2002 4:00:48 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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"Capitalism" and "Communism" are economic terms. "Fascism" and "Nationalism" are political. They may generally be related, but it is my opinion that Hitler did not understand economics but did understand politics -- especially politics of power.

He saw the Jews as both, the blood-sucking capitalists and as the movers behind the evil communism which wanted to rob the Germans of their national identity. Having identified an enemy and demonized them, it was easier to garner -- in the name of remedying the situation -- the power he lusted for.

Fascism is the political structure which concentrates power into one branch of government. Hitler and Mussolini did this, and so did Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro -- and all dictators of the "Left" and "Right."

The Left likes to pretend this is a right-wing thing, because it makes the unthinking believe that they are opposed it. As the article points out, they are actually one and the same: not in the economic form they profess, but in the political power they assume over it.

75 posted on 02/18/2002 4:05:39 PM PST by LantzALot
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76 posted on 02/18/2002 4:23:50 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Slyfox
I didn't know that about Jimmy Buffet. Makes you kinda wonder what all Bill and Hillary learned from Hitler.

Kinda took the wind out of my sails after I heard that. ;-)And I got that info from a wife of a former band member (Coral Reefer). She was horrified when she saw he was touting the book while riding their tour bus after one of their shows.

It wouldn't suprise me how many copies of Mein Kampf is sitting in liberal libraries, including Bil and Hil's, ect...

Needless to say, I've sworn off Corona Beer and margaritas for a while....they leave kind of a bad taste in my mouth! ;-)

78 posted on 02/18/2002 4:31:44 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: A.J.Armitage

I'm merely referring to the "how and why" that those terms entered into common American useage.

It was to differentiate between the various wings of socialism: fascism and Communism.

79 posted on 02/18/2002 4:33:28 PM PST by Southack
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